Poll : Playable hands from the BB

[fasin8ing]

Which group is more playable in the BB in your opinion?

1 min raise from MP1 , MP2 , button , and SB call.

6 handed , 5 dollar SNG , chip stack medium, 25 50 blinds.

Group 1: K 9 os , Q 3 s , A 2 - A 9 os, J 9 os , 3 4 s, 5 6 s , 7, 8 s, 9 10 os.

Group 2: K 2 s, K 10 os, A-2 - A 9 s, 3 4 os, 5 6 os, J 2 s, 2 3 os, Q 4 s.

[Warpe]

You need a third option on your poll.

[fasin8ing]

You need a third option on your poll.

Private message me your suggestion Warpe.

[drmcboy]

kooky post. where did those groups come from?

[fasin8ing]

kooky post. where did those groups come from?

Selected from my last 30 BB's that I either folded or played.

[swiggidy]

Group 1: K 9 os , Q 3 s , A 2 - A 9 os, J 9 os , 3 4 s, 5 6 s , 7, 8 s, 9 10 os.

Group 2: K 2 s, K 10 os, A-2 - A 9 s, 3 4 os, 5 6 os, J 2 s, 2 3 os, Q 4 s.

I voted for group 1.

Except I only call with 56s, 78s. And Axs from group 2.

I should really think before I vote. They are kooky groups. Big-small suited or not is a terrible hand in a SnG

[drmcboy]

OK - why group them this way?
Q3s one group, Q4s the other?

[fasin8ing]

OK - why group them this way?
Q3s one group, Q4s the other?

12 suited in both groups. More suited connectors in one group, but higher suited cards in the other. Random . I have no answer. Kooky cards get dealt all the time. I am kinda stuck with decisions with shitty cards with people min raise. Would like to know which hands people would more than willing to play. Im kinda tired of talking about PP, AK , AA , KK UTG, QQ LP ... 5 dollar SNG's you have to play cards like this sometimes. Unless you like coin flipping 3rd every tourny because the chip leader has a 4 to 1 chip advantage to you and the other guy. Bottom line- when you are faced with a min raise.. Is it smart or safe to say these cards are worth a call? If so .. which group?

[Warpe]

You need a third option on your poll.

Private message me your suggestion Warpe.

No need to PM. "None of the above". Why play them at all, OOP? Ax, Kx, Qx, connectors (suited or unsuited) are best played from LP. Calling a minraise with these hands OOP is basically hoping that the flop hits you in the face. You'll get lucky sometimes, sure, but why bother? You're just bleeding chips...

[drmcboy]

but the groups have no common theme. You're not going to go out and play "Group 1" hands because FTR voted on them, that's crazy. If you play Q3s here, you should clearly play Q4s. And 23o is wildly different from A9s. You can't say, well, it's "Group 2"?

Last post, this is just too weird.

I call will almost anything getting the 8/1 or so odds you have.

Also consider a push in this spot.

[swiggidy]

So play the same cards you complete the SB with. I play the SB tighter than the button even though I'm getting better odds pre-flop. I loose two many chips when I flop an OESD and play it poorly from EP.

I am kinda stuck with decisions with shitty cards with people min raise.

You have two options with shitty cards. Fold, or play the person. If you push that's because you think everyone will fold. With 4 people in the pot, eh.

You're also not picking a blind level. If you're talking 8BB in level 7 that's different than 50BB in level2. But sill, don't make the move becaue of the hand, make it because of the person.

[fasin8ing]

You need a third option on your poll.

Private message me your suggestion Warpe.

No need to PM. "None of the above". Why play them at all, OOP? Ax, Kx, Qx, connectors (suited or unsuited) are best played from LP. Calling a minraise with these hands OOP is basically hoping that the flop hits you in the face. You'll get lucky sometimes, sure, but why bother? You're just bleeding chips...

Bleeding chips well put. Hoping the flop hits you ... Isnt that with everyhand? OOP .... is that a bad thing sometimes? If you are playing the person ... and not the hand.. Are you not capable of playing a hand oop? With some agression? Arguing the fact that you are out of position playing against someone who may be out of postion as well who min raised.... Brings up a good point about which of these groups would you rather play OOP against a min raiser and 2 ppl that called. If these are hands you would normally play in LP, and you have people in LP that called a min bet aswell which of the groups would you likely wanna play.

[donkbee]

I call will almost anything getting the 8/1 or so odds you have.

[drmcboy]

folding 9Ts to a min raise and getting these pot odds is bleeding chips.

[Staresy]

plus, IMHO (and experience) it is also the case that the min-raiser suddenly starts throwing masses of his chips at the pot when its too late. i.e.

min raise, call, call, call and call
flop = 9 T T

min raiser suddenly bets some ridiculous amount at the pot

[fasin8ing]

8 to 1 odds.. Of course I am seeing a flop with either group 1 or group 2 or anything not in these groups. If your M is 12... and you are faced with a min raise.. Your going to fold your big blind to a min raise? Then your going to sit here and say I push just about any of those live hands when your M is 10 ? My point Iam trying to suggest is , if you are playing in a tourny where the levels increase by number of hands.. and not time.... Which group would you rather call a min raise with. These are random hands I either called or didnt call a min raise with when my M was around 11-14. Is it stupid ???? Am I bleeding chips away to see a flop with mediocre hand? Or am I discounting as if there was no min raise and I was in the SB calling? If so .. is that bad play on my part?

[Warpe]

You need a third option on your poll.

Private message me your suggestion Warpe.

No need to PM. "None of the above". Why play them at all, OOP? Ax, Kx, Qx, connectors (suited or unsuited) are best played from LP. Calling a minraise with these hands OOP is basically hoping that the flop hits you in the face. You'll get lucky sometimes, sure, but why bother? You're just bleeding chips...

Bleeding chips well put. Hoping the flop hits you ... Isnt that with everyhand? OOP .... is that a bad thing sometimes? If you are playing the person ... and not the hand.. Are you not capable of playing a hand oop? With some agression? Arguing the fact that you are out of position playing against someone who may be out of postion as well who min raised.... Brings up a good point about which of these groups would you rather play OOP against a min raiser and 2 ppl that called. If these are hands you would normally play in LP, and you have people in LP that called a min bet aswell which of the groups would you likely wanna play.

In LP you can play air.

Okay, let's say your stack is 4800 chips, you are dealt 34s/56s/78s/9Ts (pick one) in the BB and the blinds are 200/400. MP1 minraises to 800 and gets two callers, as per your scenario. Call?

[fasin8ing]

You need a third option on your poll.

Private message me your suggestion Warpe.

No need to PM. "None of the above". Why play them at all, OOP? Ax, Kx, Qx, connectors (suited or unsuited) are best played from LP. Calling a minraise with these hands OOP is basically hoping that the flop hits you in the face. You'll get lucky sometimes, sure, but why bother? You're just bleeding chips...

Bleeding chips well put. Hoping the flop hits you ... Isnt that with everyhand? OOP .... is that a bad thing sometimes? If you are playing the person ... and not the hand.. Are you not capable of playing a hand oop? With some agression? Arguing the fact that you are out of position playing against someone who may be out of postion as well who min raised.... Brings up a good point about which of these groups would you rather play OOP against a min raiser and 2 ppl that called. If these are hands you would normally play in LP, and you have people in LP that called a min bet aswell which of the groups would you likely wanna play.

In LP you can play air.

Okay, let's say your stack is 4800 chips, you are dealt 34s/56s/78s/9Ts (pick one) in the BB and the blinds are 200/400. MP1 minraises to 800 and gets two callers, as per your scenario. Call?

Call yes, all suited connectors. You have a chance in improving after the flop if presented with the right odds. You calling with A 3 os even with those odds? Or are you pissing away chips then?

[midas06]

Wait... what do the hands in the groups have in common?

[drmcboy]

rofl

[andy-akb]

8 to 1 odds.. Of course I am seeing a flop with either group 1 or group 2 or anything not in these groups. If your M is 12... and you are faced with a min raise.. Your going to fold your big blind to a min raise? Then your going to sit here and say I push just about any of those live hands when your M is 10 ?

With an M of 10 I cant imagine pushing any of those hands, or really any hand. I think you mean M of 5, or about 8.5BB.

My point Iam trying to suggest is , if you are playing in a tourny where the levels increase by number of hands.. and not time.... Which group would you rather call a min raise with. These are random hands I either called or didnt call a min raise with when my M was around 11-14. Is it stupid ???? Am I bleeding chips away to see a flop with mediocre hand? Or am I discounting as if there was no min raise and I was in the SB calling? If so .. is that bad play on my part?

We cant pick a group because there is no order to these groups, they are as you said random hands. It depends on the situation, and those hands in each group dont all play the same in all situations. This is why you arent getting any real clear answers, your OP is very unclear and the groupings dont make sense.

[fasin8ing]

Wait... what do the hands in the groups have in common?

They were all dealt to me in the BB .

[LeFou]

Not seeing flops is another way of bleeding chips.
I'm calling pretty much all of these with the odds I'm getting. Only exceptions are if there's a dangerous player in there with a big stack and I'm terrified of himher.

[fasin8ing]

LOL.. Ok .. Ok .. I get some of your points.. Not really what I was looking for . But .. I get it. If you cant make a decision on which group you would rather call with ... Dont vote. Let me guess, you only play premium hands in the BB too. This may be the case if your playing the 22's and above. Or even the 10's. I cannot stand to read another post about A A and K K , hit my set.. and so forth. I posted this because I ran my stats with calls from the BB with junks hands. All the hands in group one I called with. All the hands is group two I folded. Thats the difference between the two. Regardless if I i won or not or my hand improved. Thanks for your input.. once again. Its a poll, not a debate. Min raises dont really mean muchh in 5 dollar sng's. The poll should have been , out of the 2 groups in a 5 dollars SNG which one would you min raise with ?..

[fasin8ing]

Not seeing flops is another way of bleeding chips.
I'm calling pretty much all of these with the odds I'm getting. Only exceptions are if there's a dangerous player in there with a big stack and I'm terrified of himher.

From the looks of all the replys ... I didnt think anyone would say that . Not seeing flops is another way of bleeding chips. Now that was well put.

[andy-akb]

LOL.. Ok .. Ok .. I get some of your points.. Not really what I was looking for . But .. I get it. If you cant make a decision on which group you would rather call with ... Dont vote. Let me guess, you only play premium hands in the BB too. This may be the case if your playing the 22's and above. Or even the 10's. I cannot stand to read another post about A A and K K , hit my set.. and so forth. I posted this because I ran my stats with calls from the BB with junks hands. All the hands in group one I called with. All the hands is group two I folded. Thats the difference between the two. Regardless if I i won or not or my hand improved. Thanks for your input.. once again. Its a poll, not a debate. Min raises dont really mean muchh in 5 dollar sng's.

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Here are the two groups again:
Group 1: K 9 os , Q 3 s , A 2 - A 9 os, J 9 os , 3 4 s, 5 6 s , 7,8 s, 9 10 os.

Group 2: K 2 s, K 10 os, A-2 - A 9 s, 3 4 os, 5 6 os, J 2 s, 2 3 os, Q 4 s.

With a medium chipstack I would fold 43o, 32 o, 43s and most likely play the others. Both groups have hands that I dont know why you would fold to a minraise from the BB.

The poll should have been , out of the 2 groups in a 5 dollars SNG which one would you min raise with ?

If that wasnt sarcasm, then I wouldnt minraise any of them, and Id suggest never minraising unless you have a very strong read on an opponent.

[fasin8ing]

LOL.. Ok .. Ok .. I get some of your points.. Not really what I was looking for . But .. I get it. If you cant make a decision on which group you would rather call with ... Dont vote. Let me guess, you only play premium hands in the BB too. This may be the case if your playing the 22's and above. Or even the 10's. I cannot stand to read another post about A A and K K , hit my set.. and so forth. I posted this because I ran my stats with calls from the BB with junks hands. All the hands in group one I called with. All the hands is group two I folded. Thats the difference between the two. Regardless if I i won or not or my hand improved. Thanks for your input.. once again. Its a poll, not a debate. Min raises dont really mean muchh in 5 dollar sng's.

Here are the two groups again:
Group 1: K 9 os , Q 3 s , A 2 - A 9 os, J 9 os , 3 4 s, 5 6 s , 7,8 s, 9 10 os.

Group 2: K 2 s, K 10 os, A-2 - A 9 s, 3 4 os, 5 6 os, J 2 s, 2 3 os, Q 4 s.

With a medium chipstack I would fold 43o, 32 o, 43s and most likely play the others. Both groups have hands that I dont know why you would fold to a minraise from the BB.

The poll should have been , out of the 2 groups in a 5 dollars SNG which one would you min raise with ?

If that wasnt sarcasm, then I wouldnt minraise any of them, and Id suggest never minraising unless you have a very strong read on an opponent.

I try not to minraise ever. It was sarcasm.