Big Hand

[complex_x]

About third hand at the table. No real reads on the players but I noticed that the pot sizes were 17$ per hand which is quite high for 1/2 6max.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP calls, Button caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 8, 9, K (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) A (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (28.25 BB) K (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP calls, Button caps, Hero calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 43.25 BB

[Demiparadigm]

river sux.

u lose this hand a lot.
looks like UTG has AA and button has AK or KK.
No way I find a fold at game speed though.

If you won, congrats.

[jmontis]

hard to tell where you're at when the betting is pretty much capped every street. I think you lost this hand, if not... nh.

nasty river though, if it's not good enough to bet, why are you calling 2 re-raises

[chardrian]

I don't hate how u played it but....

I will usually three bet that preflop instead of calling.

I will then lead out or check raise that flop - it is ugly with all those draws.

Turn would be almost impossible for me to get away from. And river - again too much money invested, so I'd find it hard to fold there too. But very hard for me to believe that AK is not out there (probably twice) and maybe even a 99... you very well could be in last here.

[complex_x]

I won the hand. UTG and button had AQ, MP had K5. Nice table. It's been amazing since moving from 0.5/1 to 1/2 the increase in mindless aggression. Routinely it seems that people re-raise with middle pair, bad kicker or worse. That combined with the fact that the table had such a high pot average made me think that I shouldn't try to slow down their aggression with a raise. For example, if you've been at a table for a few rounds and the maniac has been raising and re-raising with T2 o you are much more likely to stay in a hand that the maniac has been raising and ignore the calling tight player. Saying that though I was pretty sure that one of them had AK or better but the high aggression combined with the pot odds more than justified, imho, calling it down.

[complex_x]

Also a re-raise on the flop when there are likely draws out there doesn't do anything for me. I'm EP so drawing hands will either just call if I lead out or re-raise from LP to build the pot. If I check raise the MP's raise, the same will happen. 3-betting is even worse.

[thenonsequitur]

I won the hand

Nice pot. Congrats.

IMO, this is a great lesson on why crying calls are a good idea.

[drmcboy]

I just want to make sure I'm clear, no CR on the flop is to... keep the pot smaller cutting odds later?

[ihategnomes]

I just want to make sure I'm clear, no CR on the flop is to...

Not give away the strength of your hand so you can get more bets into the pot on big bet streets.

[chardrian]

Problem is with all those draws, you are quite possibly just going to give away free cards on the turn.

I dunno - I still like betting out or checkraising that flop.

Seems to me that betting when ahead is usually the best approach in Limit.

[elipsesjeff]

Seems to me that betting when ahead is usually the best approach in Limit.

Quoted for truth!!!!

Pretty much how you can tell the good players from the bad. Look at this hand from last night:

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 8.
1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7, A, A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 7 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

River: (2 BB) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 2 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ks 8c (two pair, aces and sevens).
Hero has Qh 8d (two pair, aces and sevens).
MP has Ad 5h (full house, aces full of sevens).
Button has 2s Jc (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: MP wins 2 BB.

[complex_x]

Betting when you're ahead is not always the best. Hyper states it much more eloquently than I in his stickied 6-max post under the section:

WHEN RAISING WILL NOT PROTECT YOUR HAND

Not to say that Hyper is right about everything, but I think he's right here.

[elipsesjeff]

Well, theres a difference between raising for value and raising to protect your hand. With a set, its for value, with TPTK, its to protect your hand.