Was the price right for AT suited?

[magneticskull]

Did I have odds to call? (math my weak suit...)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($14.55)
MP2 ($5.70)
CO ($9.45)
Hero ($14.85)
SB ($5.05)
BB ($15.70)
UTG ($12.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, A.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.90) Q, Q, 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.6, SB calls $0.60.

Turn: ($2.10) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $4.05, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $8.15

[KoRnholio]

Check behind on the turn for a free shot at your draw and you won't need pot odds Realistically, what can this guy call you with on the flop that will fold to a bet on the turn? QQ3 rainbow leaves no draws to chase..

[BankItDrew]

absolutly. you need to call $2, which would be a 20% investment towards a $8 pot. your odds on the flush are 16% (8 outs assuming he has one queen and not a full house).

To make it a justifiable call, your $2.05 call must be greater than 16% of the final pot.

(100 / 16) * 2.05 = how big final pot has to be = $12.81

so, call his bet and bet at least $2.40 on the river to make your turn call justifiable.

[bair]

you always have odds to call after a minraise

[jackvance]

You're gonna bet $2 into a $10 pot, so 1/5. To chance to get your flush is 1/6. Now if that guy hadn't gone all-in your implied odds would have justified the call but here I dunno. Probably isn't a bluff and he really has the Q, but maybe if you add the chance that he doesn't have the Q but an overpair and your A gets 3 outs, then you can justify the call

But seriously, you should have checked the turn. First get a free peak at your flush option, thén decide what to do. I don't see a need to want to take him out here...

[Pelion]

You're gonna bet $2 into a $10 pot, so 1/5. To chance to get your flush is 1/6. Now if that guy hadn't gone all-in your implied odds would have justified the call but here I dunno. Probably isn't a bluff and he really has the Q, but maybe if you add the chance that he doesn't have the Q but an overpair and your A gets 3 outs, then you can justify the call

But seriously, you should have checked the turn. First get a free peak at your flush option, thén decide what to do. I don't see a need to want to take him out here...

But if he does have the Q then one of your clubs could pair his kicker plus 3 is no good either. Thats alot of dirty outs. I think you can call it if he has a stack behind but im not so sure here. You are getting 4:1 but i dont think all your outs are clean.
If you are calling its for the chance he has a PP. Its quite possible he has 66+ on that board.

[jackvance]

Right, didn't think of any dirty outs there.

[magneticskull]

I thought he was slowplaying QQ.
He had been limping for several revolutions (folding to raises) and then called very fast when I bet.
Checks the flop... but then calls immediately.
When he checked the turn, I TOTALLY should have checked it, but I was in "no free checking mode" (LEAK). Maybe I got some information that saved me some money, but ultimately I passed at a free River, which is WAY DUMB.
Of course, If he really had the Queens in the pocket, I just would have lost more money playing my A high flush like the nuts.


Thanks all.

-M

[jackvance]

Hm, I don't think he has QQ here. Rather Qx.

The chance to get quads on the flop when you have a pp is 0.25%. So it'll happen once every 400 pps you play! I think it's hard to keep a level head when you will be instantly fearing the absolute worst abysmal-odds situation on any flop. Especially when there are a lot more higher chance and plausible hands that could explain his betting behavior.

[Fnord]

Check the turn. Free cards are almost as cool as free beer.

[Miffed22001]

omg u stack him if u hot the river after taking the free card
I have 50-100 hands like this from 10 and 20nl recently where opps just overplayer there hands horribly.
In fact i prob have enough from 100nl to prove that too.

[magneticskull]

Yes, must get over dislike of the check and learn to use it's EVIL POWER.

[johnny_fish]

Don't bet when you don't know what to do with a reraise. Your bet is fine though if you reasonably could put him on a PP that thinks you missed. After the reraise his range is KQ/QJ/33 and your pot odds are good vs. that, so call.

[Renton]

betting draws is negative EV at 10nl. The only reason you do it at all is to represent a non-draw, and throw off aware opponents, EDIT: of which there are none.