standard fold right?

[Lukie]

villain seems quite tight, no great reads though. Advice on all streets welcome.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($336.55)
MP2 ($78.55)
MP3 ($225.25)
CO ($564.80)
Button ($392)
SB ($86.40)
Hero ($394.65)
UTG ($532.70)
UTG+1 ($306.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls $4, 5 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) T, Q, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP1 raises to $20, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $40, MP1 calls $40.

River: ($130) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $90, Hero????? (I called)

Final Pot: $310

[Renton]

Since he is a nit then yes this is a fold i think. I think the only way this isn't a fold is when you are up against a loose player who like to limp suited connectors and such alot. Tight players don't do this in MP. He sees that you have the flush and he doesn't care.

Why'd you check the river? I'd block bet the river for about 30-40. You gave him the ability to bet into you with any two, based on your apparent weakness. If you feel this is a player capable of that, well...

His play is consistent with a set turned boat, and with a QT two pair turned boat. Its also consistent with an underflush. Thats a really tough hand. How's 400 treating you?

[jackvance]

Hm I think Renton's analysis pretty much says it all. I think he has QT here, maybe 77.

(I personally would have either reraised him again on the flop, or hit the turn harder, since he seems so eager to play into my top hand here. But ofcourse that's just my 20NL thing, not 400NL..)

[piratepeaty]

Why no 3-bet on the flop? He's a tight nit, he likes his hand, your's is probably best, bet the ass out of it.

[bdawg56kg]

I think this is a good situation to 3-bet this flop. Make it $65 and bomb the turn. A set will pay you off a lot here I think.

Given you just called, I would look to CR this turn huge. He is betting here the vast majority of the time. As played, it's really read dependent but I think I'd call getting better than 2:1. I can definitely see a lower flush playing it the same way. Plus, your line is really weird, and under-reps your hand quite a bit.

[Lukie]

Since he is a nit then yes this is a fold i think. I think the only way this isn't a fold is when you are up against a loose player who like to limp suited connectors and such alot. Tight players don't do this in MP. He sees that you have the flush and he doesn't care.

I agree

Why'd you check the river? I'd block bet the river for about 30-40. You gave him the ability to bet into you with any two, based on your apparent weakness. If you feel this is a player capable of that, well...

Why block this river? If we are beat, it's not getting us a cheap showdown.

His play is consistent with a set turned boat, and with a QT two pair turned boat. Its also consistent with an underflush. Thats a really tough hand. How's 400 treating you?

I don't think this guy is open limping a trash hand like QT from early/middlish position ever. To be honest, I really thought he had 77 here (and he did, and this is not being results oriented). I don't know why I still called, but it probably has something to do with me being a donkey and refusing to believe that I'm beat. I'm seriously a nit on the flop and somehow I turn into this gigantic fish by the turn and especially the river. I'm trying to fix both. I think he has 77 here a LOT, and TT-QQ once in a while. QQ i almost certainly expect to be raised preflop, JJ too and even moreso I don't expect a raise out of that hand on the [edit:flop], and TT may get limped or raised but quads make it unlikely. I tend to think most players would make a smaller bet on the end with such a lock hand too.

Heh I've only gotten in like 2.5k hands at NL400, and I'm a very marginal winner right now (like .9ptbb/100). I've been beating up the NL100 and NL200 games pretty good though.

[Lukie]

I think this is a good situation to 3-bet this flop. Make it $65 and bomb the turn. A set will pay you off a lot here I think.

Given you just called, I would look to CR this turn huge. He is betting here the vast majority of the time. As played, it's really read dependent but I think I'd call getting better than 2:1. I can definitely see a lower flush playing it the same way. Plus, your line is really weird, and under-reps your hand quite a bit.

Hmmm fair point about 3-betting flop. It's really hard to say, if I can get the stacks in now that would be fantastic. But peeling a card off and putting a significant bet on the turn is also fantastic. There's much bigger overlay on the turn.

I'm not too big on the c/r turn here. I think 3 betting flop+leading turn and calling flop+donking turn are much better in this situation. Why let him exercise pot control and take a free card in one? And I think you overestimate the amount of times an opponent bets in that situation...

For some reason I always call this river here (i'm a fish), but river action really should go check/fold...

[jackvance]

If he didn't get his lucky boat on the river, your play here woulda been great I think, to extract value. I find it so hard to lay a hand down on the river when I *know* I've been ahead all the previous streets.. I know for a fact I would have called the river too..

[TalentedTom]

your a filthy fish

[dsaxton]

Check-raise turn, bet river and fold if he raises big.

[Miffed22001]

Check-raise turn, bet river and fold if he raises big.

i like this line but i also like 3 betting the flop and betting enough on the turn to try and keep opp involved but not so much he will fold or too little that you cant call any river. Stacks would have been in on the river i think and id have cried at his probable suckout.
I guess my problem with teh 3bet flop line is will he put that much money in on that flop and will he call enough on the turn to be unable to fold the river.

[xX zorrito Xx]

personally i would've pushed on the turn to protect my hand...

clearly he had flopped a set of 7s or A 7 with ace of hearts... it's quiet possible for him to limp on the button or when he has position on you even when he's tight... wouldn't put him on a set higher than 10s or A J or A Q since there was no raise preflop

[bdawg56kg]

Why let him exercise pot control and take a free card in one? And I think you overestimate the amount of times an opponent bets in that situation.

By the way you describe this villian, it seems like he's a nit. Do you think a nit is semi-bluffing this flop with the Ah, planning on taking the free card? I think his range is 2-pair or better, hence I think he bets the turn almost every time. Maybe he could raise the flop with AhQx, then check behind on turn, but I really think he will bet if checked to. Your line could easily be Ah + pair, so he has to bet to protect here. Maybe you can explain what you thought his likely range was to raise flop and check turn?

[TalentedTom]

100% call villian will show down AhTx



Besides that - i would 3 bet the flop you are OOP in an unraised pot lets end this hand asap

[dpe8598]

Call on the river, you are being too results oriented. You are getting 2.5 to 1 on your money and there is a whole range of hands that he could be on.

Now if he had gone all in, you would be getting around 1.4 to 1 on your money. There a fold makes sense.

[biondino]

I had to go back to the title and double take when I read this. I am calling the river every time too.