Watch video - Comment on Video, then personal thoughts.

[fasin8ing]

I was reading some of your responses to the thread about the lady who disrespected a soldiers funeral... Then it became a political discussion about pro/anti bush, american flags, and democracy. Some of you know me and some dont...

Iam very proud of my country, I went to Iraq for a year, saw some shit, did some shit, and then came home. I felt like it was my time and after 10 years I got out. I felt like I was playing World Policeman. If you wanna really trip out on something - Devote one hour to watching this video and your life will be changed forever in regards to your thoughts about 9/11 . All and all I would do it all over again.. But after seeing this it makes me sick to my stomach. Propaganda is the September 11 tapes, and Fahrenheit 911. This is straight facts not propaganda. If you have never seen this .. Iam telling you watch it. Discuss your own opinions here .. Iam very interested to know your thoughts after viewing it. It goes by quick ... 1 hour will change your outlook on alot of things.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...20890224991194

[AHiltz]

America gets attacked. America goes to war. American companies make millions and billions during the war and reconstruction. Coincidence?

Note: I did not watch the vid. I just get pissed thinking about how corrupt our leaders are.

[samsonite2100]

Aren't you Canadian?

[fasin8ing]

America gets attacked. America goes to war. American companies make millions and billions during the war and reconstruction. Coincidence?

Note: I did not watch the vid. I just get pissed thinking about how corrupt our leaders are.

Then you should watch the video ... It will make you think more in depth. It could be about that or it could be about something else.. You will see ... Iam intrested to see if people think like me after viewing this. Canadians are cool people though.. even though i think the majority of them share negative feelings towards the U.S.. I however am not a close minded American and believe people are entitled to their opinons.

[Rondavu]

There are people on earth who want you dead for no greater reason than variance of faith. Their mission is to kill you and freedom loving people alike on a wide scale through subtle participation or direct involvement. They also hold the major portion of our earths most valuable natural resource. What's your response to this situation?

The devil is in the details. Don't get caught up in them so much.

[fasin8ing]

They also hold the major portion of our earths most valuable natural resource. What's your response to this situation?

Keywords Natural Resource. I believe Rondavu from reading your comedy you will get something out of that video. You seem like a thinker.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

This is straight facts not propaganda. If you have never seen this .. Iam telling you watch it.

No this isn't propoganda... ... LOL ... Especially not coming from someone that made a similar video entitled "Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination." Consider the source...

[euphoricism]

*giggle*

These people make me laugh.

[AHiltz]

even though i think the majority of them share negative feelings towards the U.S. GOV'T

Updated for your viewing pleasure

[fasin8ing]

This is straight facts not propaganda. If you have never seen this .. Iam telling you watch it.

No this isn't propoganda... ... LOL ... Especially not coming from someone that made a similar video entitled "Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination." Consider the source...

Source really doesnt have anything to do with it. He is not the source. His documentary comes from lots of reliable sources. You are reffering to the maker as the source.. That is a misused term.

[fasin8ing]

even though i think the majority of them share negative feelings towards the U.S. GOV'T

Updated for your viewing pleasure

Thank you .. You are correct.

[fasin8ing]

LOL..

Look I aint Chris Matthews and this aint Hardball.

Watch the video and comment on it ..

It = Video

[Warpe]

even though i think the majority of them share negative feelings towards the U.S. GOV'T

Updated for your viewing pleasure

Thank you .. You are correct.

Yeah...nothing against Americans. You're our best friends, neighbors, allies and trading partners. But Bush and the Republican/religious right scare the crap out of most Canadians...

[DaNutsInYoEye]

This is straight facts not propaganda. If you have never seen this .. Iam telling you watch it.

No this isn't propoganda... ... LOL ... Especially not coming from someone that made a similar video entitled "Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination." Consider the source...

Source really doesnt have anything to do with it. He is not the source. His documentary comes from lots of reliable sources. You are reffering to the maker as the source.. That is a misused term.

No, I did not misuse the term at all. You said to look at this video. I was referring to the creator of this documentary, and it has everything to do with it. His documentary may be taking video from reliable sources, but he is presenting them with his interpretation. That changes everything. This isn't a video created by an ubiased individual, but rather someone that obviously has a problem with the Bush administration. Again, consider the source.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yah, but its just so much nicer living in a world where terrorists were attacking and not american govt's.

[fasin8ing]

This is straight facts not propaganda. If you have never seen this .. Iam telling you watch it.

No this isn't propoganda... ... LOL ... Especially not coming from someone that made a similar video entitled "Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination." Consider the source...

Source really doesnt have anything to do with it. He is not the source. His documentary comes from lots of reliable sources. You are reffering to the maker as the source.. That is a misused term.

No, I did not misuse the term at all. You said to look at this video. I was referring to the creator of this documentary, and it has everything to do with it. His documentary may be taking video from reliable sources, but he is presenting them with his interpretation. That changes everything. This isn't a video created by an ubiased individual, but rather someone that obviously has a problem with the Bush administration. Again, consider the source.

If you create a film about animal rights activists are you bias if you create a film about hunting? Its not a anti Bush video. It has little or nothing to do with President Bush. In my own opinion Its a movie about Sept 11 and the events that happen and evidence that has been presented to the public by the media and the government. I cant discuss anything with you because It doesnt have anything to do with President Bush. Most documentaries are presented with an interpretation, Iam interested to know what your interpretation of the video is.

[EricE]

One must always consider the source.
Take a situation in which 1000 facts represent the whole story, the totality of facts.
I can take those 1000 facts, present some of them in a documentary and make that documentary present the message I want regardless of what someone would believe if they viewed all 1000 facts.

The source must always be considered, just like in poker.

[vqc]

Fas, thank u for ur service in the US army.

[fasin8ing]

Ok so if I was to tell you my own opinion and belief about things it wouldnt matter about facts. So here, I will ask everyone in their own opinion three simple questions.... What happen on Sept 11th? Why do you think it happened? Do you think the government has presented the public with all facts?

If your answers are - Terrorist crashed planes into 3 buildings, and crashed one into P.A. somewhere. They did it cause they hate Americans, and yes the government has been truthful.

Check out the video and then ask yourself the questions again.

[samsonite2100]

What happen on Sept 11th?

Terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into buildings.

Why do you think it happened?

Motivationally, b/c of a toxic combination of religious fundamentalism and anger at the US over decades of perceived anti-Arabism, signally, our support of Israel and Israeli interests.

In practical terms, I think it happened because America as a society had been living in a fairy-tale land of unicorns and cotton candy in which the terrorism the rest of the world has dealt with for years couldn't possibly reach us. This includes the neglect of both the Bush and Clinton adminstrations regarding Al Qaeda.

Do you think the government has presented the public with all facts?

No. I think the government has been weaselly in extremis.

[Xianti]

Some people need to look up propaganda in the dictionary.

http://www.webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person.

No matter which side it's coming from, it's all propaganda.

Jihad is propaganda. War on drugs is propaganda. War on terror is propaganda. Al-jazeera is propaganda. Fox News is propaganda. CNN is propaganda. When Saddam Hussein and his ministers call the U.S. the head of the snake of infidels, it's propaganda. When Bush and his administration say Iraq must be relieved of its weapons of mass destruction, it's propaganda.

It's all just stuff that people in power say to sway public opinion so they can do what they want to do.

Here's some interesting reading:
http://www.rense.com/general12/believe.htm

Biggest load of bullshit I've seen in a long, long time.

Not even the American government would commit that much of a misdemeanour.

[Lukie]

America gets attacked. America goes to war. American companies make millions and billions during the war and reconstruction. Coincidence?

Note: I did not watch the vid. I just get pissed thinking about how corrupt our leaders are.

I havn't watched the video, but I want to ask you a question. Two, actually.

1) Do you think the war in Iraq has helped or hurt the U.S. economy?

2) Does this answer lead to a different conclusion then what you were trying to imply?

[PO$$E$$ED]

This is straight facts not propaganda.

ahahahaha
I like your sense of humor

[Lukie]

loose change video, already watched it.

I wasn't impressed the first time, and I doubt I'll be impressed the 2nd time (but there won't be a second time, because I'm not watching it again).

[fasin8ing]

I will share my own thoughts..

Osama didnt admit to it ..

Do you beleive one of the passports of the terrorists fell out the explosion?

I beleive .. IMO opinion...

I beleive the World trade center was planned .. By whomever. But the government knew about it. There was a reason behind it... The reason I think it was planned is because the government knows we are running out of oil. Its a reason to go to war.. We have been somewhat isolationist for quite sometime now. If you notice every 10 years there is a major world conflict.

First off we went into Afghanistan not to find Osama but to stage a huge military operation. Should we get our ass kicked and Iraq blows up Kuwait and such ... Troops would be in Afghanistan to move into Iraq. We are not friends with anyone else in that region. Its the closest besides Bahrain and Qatar which isnt big enough for that kinda operation.

Since we need oil and Hussein would never do business with us we invaded his country solely on the basis of oil. You will soon see that once the Iraqi Government is in place and fully established and they have an economy and things are great gas/oil prices will drastically drop. They owe us alot of money. Their currency is worth about 1/30 th of our cent. They will repay their debt in oil. Ok so what does this have to do with Sept 11th? You think a plane hit the Pentagon? We have missile systems and Anti aircraft weapons that could take out nuclear missiles in our homeland. You think a Boeing 757 could just go off route and smack into the Pentagon in D.C? I think it was something else.. It was staged. And the world trade center crumbled to the ground because a plane made mainly of steel and titanium? It registered as a magnitude of 2.0 earthquake. I dont beleive a 2.0 earthquake could do that beings that i have been through some that were 3.0 + in Cali could take down the world trade centers. 40 minutes apart were the WTC and the Pentagon, plenty enough time to alert fighter jets/air force /or a ADA unit and pick up crazy shit on a radar.

Bottom line the United States will never just go into somewhere in our era and go to war. There is always a reason behind it. Bush's cabinet knew Americans would not go for another war with Iraq... Someone created a reason. If you dont think there is something shady as hell with this administration you have been fooled.

[bluey]

wow

[fasin8ing]

wow

lol

[Lukie]

[Greedo017]

insight into your thought process makes me understand how we have women like that crazy church protestor

[PO$$E$$ED]

I will share my own thoughts..

Osama didnt admit to it ..

Do you beleive one of the passports of the terrorists fell out the explosion?

I beleive .. IMO opinion...

I beleive the World trade center was planned .. By whomever. But the government knew about it. There was a reason behind it... The reason I think it was planned is because the government knows we are running out of oil. Its a reason to go to war.. We have been somewhat isolationist for quite sometime now. If you notice every 10 years there is a major world conflict.

First off we went into Afghanistan not to find Osama but to stage a huge military operation. Should we get our ass kicked and Iraq blows up Kuwait and such ... Troops would be in Afghanistan to move into Iraq. We are not friends with anyone else in that region. Its the closest besides Bahrain and Qatar which isnt big enough for that kinda operation.

Since we need oil and Hussein would never do business with us we invaded his country solely on the basis of oil. You will soon see that once the Iraqi Government is in place and fully established and they have an economy and things are great gas/oil prices will drastically drop. They owe us alot of money. Their currency is worth about 1/30 th of our cent. They will repay their debt in oil. Ok so what does this have to do with Sept 11th? You think a plane hit the Pentagon? We have missile systems and Anti aircraft weapons that could take out nuclear missiles in our homeland. You think a Boeing 757 could just go off route and smack into the Pentagon in D.C? I think it was something else.. It was staged. And the world trade center crumbled to the ground because a plane made mainly of steel and titanium? It registered as a magnitude of 2.0 earthquake. I dont beleive a 2.0 earthquake could do that beings that i have been through some that were 3.0 + in Cali could take down the world trade centers. 40 minutes apart were the WTC and the Pentagon, plenty enough time to alert fighter jets/air force /or a ADA unit and pick up crazy shit on a radar.

Bottom line the United States will never just go into somewhere in our era and go to war. There is always a reason behind it. Bush's cabinet knew Americans would not go for another war with Iraq... Someone created a reason. If you dont think there is something shady as hell with this administration you have been fooled.

who cares
it's not like we'll get to the bottom of this anytime soon
if our government had something to do with it, they sure as fuck are going to do their best to keep it under wraps

do we know who shot JFK?
do we know who shot MLK?
do we know how many civilians our troops have killed in Iraq?
we don't know shit because they don't tell us shit, and that is what makes America great
land of the ignorant, home of the heartless

[Greedo017]

do we know who shot JFK?
do we know who shot MLK?
do we know how many civilians our troops have killed in Iraq?

lee harvey oswald
james earl ray
tens of thousands, probably almost 100k in not too long

we don't know shit because nobody believes what they tell us anyway, and that is what makes America great
land of the conspiracy theorists, home of the uneducated

[PO$$E$$ED]

do we know who shot JFK?
do we know who shot MLK?
do we know how many civilians our troops have killed in Iraq?

lee harvey oswald
james earl ray
tens of thousands, probably almost 100k in not too long

we don't know shit because nobody believes what they tell us anyway, and that is what makes America great
land of the conspiracy theorists, home of the uneducated

lololololol

[PO$$E$$ED]

this thread is golden

[bluey]

do we know who shot JFK?
do we know who shot MLK?
do we know how many civilians our troops have killed in Iraq?

lee harvey oswald
james earl ray
tens of thousands, probably almost 100k in not too long

we don't know shit because nobody believes what they tell us anyway, and that is what makes America great
land of the conspiracy theorists, home of the uneducated

hahahaha

nh sir

[PO$$E$$ED]

seriously though, greedo is right
the government never lies to us or anything
I guess I'm "uneducated" for doubting some of the things that were told to me by the government

[fasin8ing]

Ummm this is my first post in the lounge.. LOL ..
You outta check out my Poker posts in the SNG forum ..

LMAO

[fasin8ing]

insight into your thought process makes me understand how we have women like that crazy church protestor

Thats fucked up .. That was my Mom you asshole.

[Greedo017]

seriously though, greedo is right
the government never lies to us or anything
I guess I'm "uneducated" for doubting some of the things that were told to me by the government

i actually didn't mean that to be personal though i guess it was.

there's nothing wrong with doubting what the government tells you. there is something wrong with continuing to doubt what the government tells you after its proven right or close to right. I think the government does lie to us in a lot of ways, but it is subtle, they know we can't catch them, and there is a balance between motive and risk. In this case, the risk was incredible and the motive is non-existant. There is something wrong with rejecting obvious, logical, and reasonable answers to questions, supported by impartial experts, in favor of unreasonable, illogical, and fuzzy answers given by people with strong motive, little risk, and no expertise whatsoever.

i didn't watch the whole video, maybe i will tomorrow, but ive seen a lot of other videos and i think this is more or less rehashing them, and all this stuff has been proven wrong or illogical. we've talked about this before on here, but i'm willing to talk again. start by reading this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

and wikipedia

Criticisms
Loose Change has been criticized as disinformation even by some within the 9/11 Truth Movement, which disagrees with many aspects of the official version of events on 9/11/01 [3]. A primary concern of many in the movement is the promotion by documentaries such as Loose Change and In Plane Site, that a commercial jet did not hit the Pentagon [4], [5], [6], [7].

Critics of the documentary's proposal that a cruise missile or a small aircraft may have been the cause of damage to the Pentagon, cite the nearly 100 documented accounts from witnesses on the scene[8] who reported seeing a large airliner. Some witnesses specifically noted seeing a 757, while only two witnesses, located some distance from the scene, reported seeing a small plane. Loose Change, however, implies that an equal number of witnesses reported different aircraft as reported a commercial jet, and does not mention the large body of witness reports in support of a commercial jet. Critics of the missile theory note that not a single witness at the scene has ever reported seeing a missile[9].

Loose Change suggests that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland instead of crashing or being shot down in Pennsylvania, and that passengers were subsequently secretly evacuated to an empty NASA research center, but others in the 9/11 Truth Movement note that there is not very much evidence to support this claim. Witnesses saw flight 93 eight miles before the crash site. [10], [11].

Wikipedia was used as a source for some information from the documentary. It has been argued that since Wikipedia can be publicly and anonymously edited, the producers of the documentary could have edited articles to suit their own purposes. None of the Wikipedia-based information has yet been verified as correct or incorrect.

[fasin8ing]

Greedo, Ok you know about this. What are your own beliefs? Iam not into you re running all that stuff back to me.. Iam up on stuff too.. What do you think went on and why based on facts that are present.

[Greedo017]

i think terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings because they hate america for a variety of reasons. I believe this because

A. There are terrorists in the world who hate america for a variety of reasons.

B. They hijacked 4 planes.

C. They crashed them into the buildings.

[PO$$E$$ED]

just for the record, I am not a conspiracy theorist
Loose Change is bullshit and should only be watched for novelty value
I do not believe our government took an active role in perpetrating the terrorist acts of 9/11

the point I was trying to make though was that you would be a fool to believe that our government tells you everything you need to hear, or that the government doesn't manipulate the public by regulating the flow of information, or that the government acts in the interests of the general public

as many have already stated, 9/11 could have been easily prevented
it's almost like Bush knew it was going to happen, and was purposely negligent in going about setting up safeguards and such so that once something did happen, he could take control of the situation and act on his interests

[Lukie]

OMG WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON, THE LUNAR LANDING WAS ALL A HOAX. QUICK, EVERYBODY GOOGLE 'LUNAR LANDING HOAX' AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!

[fasin8ing]

as many have already stated, 9/11 could have been easily prevented
it's almost like Bush knew it was going to happen, and was purposely negligent in going about setting up safeguards and such so that once something did happen, he could take control of the situation and act on his interests

Well put.

[fasin8ing]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ics/index.html


All this so we can help rebuild a country that will still hate us.

[euphoricism]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[euphoricism]

The movie also has a montage where it quotes things like "the plane must have been 75 feet above my car" and then shows what happens when a car gets behind an airplane.

So, how accurate do you think your visual acuity is on an object traveling overhead at approximately 250 knots?

Also, the jet wake is, as noted (and shown on the video), behind the aircraft. Not below it.

Also quotes people saying "it sounded like a missile" or "did not sound like an airplane". Thats because people only tend to hear airplanes on takeoff and landing, where they are traveling at approximately half the speed. That "Missile sound" is caused by red shift -- the movement of sound waves essentially stacking up on each other -- and any fast moving object of decent mass can make it.

It also stated that the only impact on the pentagon was a "small hole" and that nothing that looks like an impact from the wings is evident:



I'd have to disagree.



Later "then the [other collapsed WTC buildings] would be the third building in history to collapse due to fire. The first two, being the world trade center towers." Umm.. Bullshit?

It cites a few office buildings / sky scrapers that burned and did not collapse. Ok. Did they have jet fuel in them?

It then states that the building that was hit "less directly" collapsed before the one that was hit "head on". Anyone whose watched the documentary about the construction of the towers can explain this one. It was an "outer support structure" -- like an exo skeleton. and the 'glancing blow' took out a significant chunk of the support. Like knocking out one leg of a table.


Frequency modulation to manipulate cell phone conversations? Do you think loved ones couldn't tell? Bull.


I still cant get over the "It came right over my mini van! 50 feet or so!" Laugh. Riiiight. You can accurately gauge the height of a vertical object traveling at approximately 500 miles an hour, while driving. Sorry. That was probably several hundred feet above you. People simply have very poor sense of distance in the vertical area without some sort of demarcation. If you look up at a multi-story building can you accurately tell how many feet up the top floor is without counting the floords, or atleast approximating their demarcation? No, of course not.

Now do it while driving down a road at a 90 degree angle to the building, while going "WHAT THE FUCK!?". Your obersvational powers are close to nil.

Then a lady says, "It was traveling real fast, but didnt make any sound" even though it was "50-75 feet overhead". Ok, go go gadget bullshit.




It is so. so. so. difficult to take this even remotely seriously.

[euphoricism]

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php

Owned. And owned much better than I can own.

[koolmoe]

I will admit that I find it improbable that three large buildings would come down as if being demolished when struck in seemingly random ways by commercial airliners. I would have thought that a collapse would more chaotic (though I'm sure it was chaotic enough to those on the ground in south Manhattan.

I would also have thought that it would take much longer for the steel support to melt. I've been around refineries most of my working life and seen my fair share of jet fuel and gas oil fires (gas oil ignites at a higher temperature than jet). Though some of them burned for an hour or more, none of them melted the support structure for the unit.

I have seen pictures of a crude tower that collapsed from a fire, however, so I acknowledge that it is possible.

Seems fishy at first glance, and I admit that the squibs pointed out in the video look a lot like demolition squibs, but there could be some other explanation.

[koolmoe]

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php

Owned. And owned much better than I can own.

Nice link.

[fasin8ing]

The movie also has a montage where it quotes things like "the plane must have been 75 feet above my car" and then shows what happens when a car gets behind an airplane.

So, how accurate do you think your visual acuity is on an object traveling overhead at approximately 250 knots?

Also, the jet wake is, as noted (and shown on the video), behind the aircraft. Not below it.

Also quotes people saying "it sounded like a missile" or "did not sound like an airplane". Thats because people only tend to hear airplanes on takeoff and landing, where they are traveling at approximately half the speed. That "Missile sound" is caused by red shift -- the movement of sound waves essentially stacking up on each other -- and any fast moving object of decent mass can make it.

It also stated that the only impact on the pentagon was a "small hole" and that nothing that looks like an impact from the wings is evident:



I'd have to disagree.



Later "then the [other collapsed WTC buildings] would be the third building in history to collapse due to fire. The first two, being the world trade center towers." Umm.. Bullshit?

It cites a few office buildings / sky scrapers that burned and did not collapse. Ok. Did they have jet fuel in them?

It then states that the building that was hit "less directly" collapsed before the one that was hit "head on". Anyone whose watched the documentary about the construction of the towers can explain this one. It was an "outer support structure" -- like an exo skeleton. and the 'glancing blow' took out a significant chunk of the support. Like knocking out one leg of a table.


Frequency modulation to manipulate cell phone conversations? Do you think loved ones couldn't tell? Bull.


I still cant get over the "It came right over my mini van! 50 feet or so!" Laugh. Riiiight. You can accurately gauge the height of a vertical object traveling at approximately 500 miles an hour, while driving. Sorry. That was probably several hundred feet above you. People simply have very poor sense of distance in the vertical area without some sort of demarcation. If you look up at a multi-story building can you accurately tell how many feet up the top floor is without counting the floords, or atleast approximating their demarcation? No, of course not.

Now do it while driving down a road at a 90 degree angle to the building, while going "WHAT THE FUCK!?". Your obersvational powers are close to nil.

Then a lady says, "It was traveling real fast, but didnt make any sound" even though it was "50-75 feet overhead". Ok, go go gadget bullshit.




It is so. so. so. difficult to take this even remotely seriously.

So ur a believer?

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Mr. Avery did not ask penetrating questions, but asked shallow, immature, insensitive, callow and uninformed questions consistent with his performance through his video.

[Lukie]

lol

[Pelion]

That "Missile sound" is caused by red shift

that missile sound is caused by people not knowing wtf a missile sounds like.


and most of these guys probably thought it was the russians going wild. people really hope its alot of stuff that will make their lives more exciting but in this case its all bullshit. Just hope its excting and leave everything well alone!!!

[euphoricism]

Snopes killed my hotlink!

THOSE BASTARDS!

[euphoricism]

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php

Owned. And owned much better than I can own.

Nice link.

I do find it amusing that a guy who admits that he has serious reservations that they might have been explosions in the WTC that brought them down, STILL hands this guy his ass.

Those charges that the video shows immediately prior to impact are interesting. I'd never heard of them prior to this video, nor discussed in any sense of a rebuttal. One has to ask, though, whats the point? Why set off a charge immediately prior to impact? To make a hole for the plane to enter? The plane will make a plenty big hole all by its self, thanks.

Its nonsensical. This isn't hollywood special effects with Arnold Schwarzeneggar diving through a glass window -- they dont have to set off a charge to make it easier for him to get through. This is a baseball. A multi-ton baseball packed with jetfuel and flying 300knots. It'll shatter its own glass.

[pgil]

is that talking about glass shattering just before the planes hit the buildings?? cus if it is there is a simple and straightforward explanation. when something moves on earth, it is not moving in a vacuum, it is moving through and pushing air. this air that it is pushing would have more than enough force to easily shatter windows prior to impact.

i am something of a conspiracy theorist myself, but only plausible ones.

I think is was fasin8ing that said that after the war in Iraq, once the iraqi government is stable, gas prices would drop. now that's a pipe dream. the government (and its owners, halliburton et. al.) already own a bunch of oil. Now if oil prices rise, they make money simply by virtue of owning this newly more expensive commodity. putting the supply of oil at risk increases their bottom line so much its insane. look at the record profits of the large oil companies this year. that is not due to better management techniques but to skyrocketing oil prices. what leads to skyrocketing oil prices? unrest in the middle east. actually that just allows for a convenient excuse to have oil prices skyrocket. if you think oil prices arent "maintained" or managed in some way by the large companies then you are a bigger nutjob than i am.

[shysti]

America gets attacked. America goes to war. American companies make millions and billions during the war and reconstruction. Coincidence?

Note: I did not watch the vid. I just get pissed thinking about how corrupt our leaders are.

Then you should watch the video ... It will make you think more in depth. It could be about that or it could be about something else.. You will see ... Iam intrested to see if people think like me after viewing this. Canadians are cool people though.. even though i think the majority of them share negative feelings towards the U.S.. I however am not a close minded American and believe people are entitled to their opinons.

Weird I do a search on this forums for going pro as a poker player and this comes up. I too am prior service (army) and was in the army when this happened. Soon as I saw the attacks I just had this sick feeling to my stomach that our leaders had something to do with this more so than some random terrorists.

Then these videos (I saw a diff one and just now watched this one) only confirmes what I felt back in 2001.

[fasin8ing]

I think is was fasin8ing that said that after the war in Iraq, once the iraqi government is stable, gas prices would drop. now that's a pipe dream.

Ok lets look at it this way. 1 Dinar is worth 1/30th of a penny. Iraq owes the United States alot of money. They are not capable of paying that back. Instead we will take oil Iam sure. They are the second largest oil producer in the world. If they do not have money .. They will either cut a deal or give us oil in trade. IMO-

Funny you brought this up, last night I was watching CSPAN ( cause iam a nerd like that) and they had the Gas/Oil Commitee on there discussing oil/gas prices. Can you believe that the Chariman happens to be from Texas and is a Republican. The companies in the 80's and early 90's were profitting about 13 bucks a barrel. Today they are proffiting like 30 bucks a barrel. Then they had the nerve to blame it on Hurricane Katrina.... That natural disaster took out plants, distrubution centers, factories, and cars... All in which havent been rebuild... SO how in the Fu*k did that make it worst if United States should be consuming less oil. Some oil rigs were destroyed... But not enough to make it this bad.

[Greedo017]

They are the second largest oil producer in the world.

lol, link?

i also find it funny that the U.S. wants to cancel 90-95% of iraq's 120billion debt, yet you think we did this to get oil? meanwhile, russia and france are arguing to forgive 50%. everyone seems to forget here, the countries with the largest oil interests in the middle east are france and russia.

the chairman probably is a republican from texas because texas is the largest oil producing state in the U.S., which happens to be one of the largest oil producing countries in the world (producing more than the "second largest producing country" even.)

And lastly. yes, oil refineries are almost certainly guilty of making prices a little higher than they could. but it should be monitored, i doubt its by very much, and the fact that they're making 30/barrel now instead of 13/barrel shows nothing. what's your pay now, what was it 20 years ago, exactly.

[fasin8ing]

They are the second largest oil producer in the world.

lol, link?

i also find it funny that the U.S. wants to cancel 90-95% of iraq's 120billion debt, yet you think we did this to get oil? meanwhile, russia and france are arguing to forgive 50%. everyone seems to forget here, the countries with the largest oil interests in the middle east are france and russia.

the chairman probably is a republican from texas because texas is the largest oil producing state in the U.S., which happens to be one of the largest oil producing countries in the world (producing more than the "second largest producing country" even.)

And lastly. yes, oil refineries are almost certainly guilty of making prices a little higher than they could. but it should be monitored, i doubt its by very much, and the fact that they're making 30/barrel now instead of 13/barrel shows nothing. what's your pay now, what was it 20 years ago, exactly.

I couldnt tell you what my pay was.. I was 8 , I made around 50 bucks a month on my newpaper route.

I meant oil reserve. And they are 4th ... Not 2nd, I stand corrected. However; Before 1989 and Desert Storm their potential to double production to 8 million bpd was within its limitations. Before we stepped in, of course. At 8 million a day that would put them right at 3rd.

And just because they want to cancel some of the funds that have been given to Iraq doesnt necessarily mean we will not get a better price on oil from them because of their debt burden.

I honestly believe sooner than later you will see KBR drilling throughout that entire country and assisting Iraq on rebuilding their economy solely based on oil. The United States will not only profit from it, the American people will be relieved with the outrageous pricing of oil.

Although France and Russia maybe the most concerned, they sure didnt get up off their asses to help out in Iraq. Iraq needed more than money for help. If you had seen some of Saddams palaces like I did you see where most of the money went. One rich dictator, millions of poor people.

If Iraq owes us money and they have none, how do you think they will pay us back? And if we didnt do it for diplomacy ( word used for oil in political arguments between U.S. and Iraq) what did we do it for?

PS: Please dont say WMD.. I will puke.

[BeatMeBad]

i think terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings because they hate america for a variety of reasons. I believe this because

A. There are terrorists in the world who hate america for a variety of reasons.

B. They hijacked 4 planes.

C. They crashed them into the buildings.

[shysti]

Fas check out this vid:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/76241/...rtial_law_911/

[bigred]

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