KK again.Making a stand.

[Dislexsik]

No reads on villain.
I think i made a bad call but i was getting tired of folding my KK over and over again.
I know thinking like this was bad,but i got KK like 87 times and down 48$ overall,won 67%...
S do i have to fold this everytime or not?


Oh btw,convertor is not working properly,i have no idea why.

***** Hand History for Game 4482405490 *****
$50 NL Texas Holdem - Saturday, June 10, 10:34:55 ET 2006
Table Easy Bingo (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Shouksh15 ( $61.33 )
Seat 4: charpea888 ( $41.68 )
Seat 8: ScottM36 ( $23.24 )
Seat 2: Two_Orange ( $51.90 )
Seat 9: ttse123 ( $38.37 )
Seat 7: nutz2882 ( $34.75 )
Seat 6: Jacke321 ( $63.20 )
Seat 10: Corsair2323 ( $50.25 )
Seat 5: nkd72 ( $49.50 )
ScottM36 posts small blind [$0.25].
ttse123 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Two_Orange [ Ks Kd ]
Corsair2323 folds.
Shouksh15 folds.
TURTLEnuttz has joined the table.
Two_Orange raises [$2.50].
charpea888 calls [$2.50].
nkd72 folds.
Jacke321 folds.
nutz2882 folds.
ScottM36 folds.
ttse123 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, Qd, Th ]
ttse123 checks.
Two_Orange bets [$6].
charpea888 calls [$6].
ttse123 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Table 97883 Table!.
Two_Orange bets [$10].
charpea888 is all-In [$33.18]
Two_Orange calls [$23.18].


PS can somebody move this post,i posted this in the wrong section.
Thnx

[andy-akb]

The turn bet, in comparison to your flop bet, is fairly weak and the general saying is that if you are raised on the turn, one pair isnt good enough. On this board I think we could be ahead a fair amount of the time against an unknowns range, but the most likely holdings we beat are JJ and AQ and I think those are both fairly more likely than QQ or AA as those would most often be reraised preflop. Laying down to a raise here is fairly read dependent, without a read I think it is marginal and could go either way.

Would checking this turn be bad? If he bets we can trap more money in the pot with a check-raise AI and if he doesnt then there arent too amny scare cards, just an ace and maybe a 9.

[Lukie]

{Moved from NL HE Strategies}

[Lukie]

Not having full stacks and getting a lot of money in pf make this tough to get away from. Any reads on villain? Reads and stats would really help.

We're getting about 3:1 on this turn, and against an unknown, I feel compelled to call here. It looks like you are beat, though.

[Dislexsik]

Not having full stacks and getting a lot of money in pf make this tough to get away from. Any reads on villain? Reads and stats would really help.

We're getting about 3:1 on this turn, and against an unknown, I feel compelled to call here. It looks like you are beat, though.

I stated already that i dind't have reads on him.Only had 13 hands on him where he seemed pretty loose.But 13 hands don't say much i guess.

The turn bet, in comparison to your flop bet, is fairly weak and the general saying is that if you are raised on the turn, one pair isnt good enough..

If i bet more on the turn,and he called,he would be pot commited anyway.
So lets say i bet 15-16$,and he raises me all in,it would give me odds to call anyway.Right?
Like lukie said i already had 3:1.

[Chicago_Kid]

Totally read dependent. However, that smooth called flop might make me think. Looks like 44 or TT to me. But could be a frisky AQ.

[andy-akb]

If i bet more on the turn,and he called,he would be pot commited anyway.
So lets say i bet 15-16$,and he raises me all in,it would give me odds to call anyway.Right?
Like lukie said i already had 3:1.

Right, I never once said you were getting bad odds as is, I was simply asking about the merits of a turn check.