My PokerTracker Stats--Comments, Please!

[arkitekton]

Hi all. I can use some thoughts/criticism on my PokerTracker stats. Seems like I've been on a steady, downhill slide for about 10,000 of my last 12,000 hands.

I'm also not overly familiar with what %ages one should aim for. Thanks for any help.

Hands 12,000
VP$IP 16.54%
VP$IP From SB 30.93%
Folded SB to Steal 83.78%
Folded BB to Steal 61.19%
Att. to Steal Blinds 27.22%

Won $ WSF 37.53%
BB/100 Hands 1.47
Went to SD 35.59%
Won at SD% 53.79%
PF Raise 6.81%
Total Rake 242BB

Aggression Factors:
Flop 1.46
Turn 1.62
River 1.31
Total 1.48

by the way, PT gives 1.5 as aggressive if you are including PF #s in the calculation. If I add in my PF # of 0.56, my overall Aggression Factor reads 1.01.

[6high]

You need to concentrate on finding more spots to raise preflop and postflop.

[euphoricism]

Stakes? Your stats are certainly rocktastic -- just like every other player at party full ring (assuming you're playing there - it probably doesn't matter where you are, almost all sites FR games play rockish).

You want my opinion? Add 10% to your vpip. Add 10% to your pfr. Add 30% to your attempt to steal.

Tell me, when everyone at the table is rock ass tight -- who wins? The house. Everyone else just pushes money back and forth (and in very small increments).

If you want to crush the full ring games, I think you're going to need to go in the complete opposite direction. Lag it up, exploit. Essentially play a 6max style and watch the rocks who can't adapt absolutely self destruct.

Disclaimer: I have no proof this will work. It would be quite fun for an experiment, though. *fires up party*

[euphoricism]

Rofl. Nope, they definitely can't handle it. This guy had been sitting in and out inbetween verbal assaults on me. Sat back in, check/threebet me. Rofl.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, T. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
5 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q, 2, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP3 has Ah 8d (one pair, twos).
Hero has Jd Td (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.25 BB.

[tbone]

One thing I have changed in my full ring game is the way I play Medium Pocket pairs. I know most books besides helmuth says to call in middle position. And play them for the trips after the flop. But how many times do you hit. So i started raising with them. And being agressive post flop. Now alot of it depends on how many and who called. But I have found being more and more aggresive is helping.

[arkitekton]

euph, you're a madman! And here I thought looking to boost my PFR to a whopping 8% was livin' on the edge.

I do think your approach makes a lot of sense for those games where players are overly tight and passive. I'd want to be selective in applying it, though. At full ring Party games of $1/2 and above, players in general seem familiar with, for example, 3 betting from the button and small blind against loose steal-raisers--nor do they tend to back down to raises or check raises or bets on the flop when playing short-handed. In fact, these games are often tough to the point that they fit the descriptions I've read of much, much higher-stakes games. Getting 3-bet and isolated oop after coming in light from ep is not uncommon either. I'll definitely give some version of your suggestions a try in too tight games, though. Dropping down to low stakes and playing somewhat maniacally will surely teach me plenty. Living in a loose aggressive skin for a while will definitely be fun.

By the way, the VP$IP where I've played averages about 25, the PFR% 7.5 . Not incredibly tight, and not brutally aggressive, but not all that loose, either.

tbone--
pushing medium pocket pairs in tight games makes a lot of sense. I have tried it in looser games though, from mp, but when three or four villains see the flop with you nonetheless, a pair of 8s loses its sting.

6high--
any specific suggestions?

Thanks all

[6high]

6high--
any specific suggestions?

Buy a book. Use the preflop chart.

[elipsesjeff]

6high--
any specific suggestions?

Buy a book. Use the preflop chart.

Rofl. I'd say add a few more hands preflop as well. You could be killing the game at 20/10 or even 19/12 level if you would raise more preflop and play some more hands. How do you get by with a 6% PFR???

Anyway, 1.5 bb/100 isn't THAT bad and you're beating the game, but if you were to open up I can see adding to it.

[arkitekton]

rofl--yeah--what do you say to that one? "Well, at least he didn't waste a LOT of my time."

When you say open up preflop I assume you mean popping AJs KQs, possibly KJs ATs in ep, maybe 99; add such as ATo and KJo from middle position, be a little more daring in late position...?

(btw--in mp, no limpers and one limper, I've been calling with such as 88, 77, KTs, QTs, JTs, QJs. I realize it depends on the game, but do you raise with these?)

As for my posted PFR of 6.81, I felt like I wasn't being a madman, but wasn't particularly shy, either:

Been raising pf with the usual stuff:
ep: AA-TT, AKs, AK, AQs, AQ (I've been adding in AJs and KQs if people are cold calling with junk like ATo
mp: AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, AKo-AJo, KQo
co and button: the usual stuff, very dependent on game conditions. Rarely 72, but definitely such as J8s in the cutoff against too tight players. That's more of a recent phenomenon, I guess, as my reads get better--as is raising in the big blind w such as JTs when 4 weakish players in a loose passive game have limped. I feel like I'm getting there, but definitely open to suggestions...

[elipsesjeff]

When you say open up preflop I assume you mean popping AJs KQs, possibly KJs ATs in ep, maybe 99; add such as ATo and KJo from middle position, be a little more daring in late position...?

(btw--in mp, no limpers and one limper, I've been calling with such as 88, 77, KTs, QTs, JTs, QJs. I realize it depends on the game, but do you raise with these?)

Yes. To everything.

[euphoricism]

Pfft arki. Thats not exploiting anyone.

When you say open up preflop I assume you mean popping AJs KQs, possibly KJs ATs in ep, maybe 99; add such as ATo and KJo from middle position, be a little more daring in late position...?

I honestly laughed out loud at this. AJs, KQs, KJs, ATs in EP are AUTO raises. No thought, no doubt about it. 99? Are you kidding? Bump it up! I don't like raising 22-33 in EP, its a little out of my comfort zone -- but I'm doing it anyway.

My EP range: Any two face cards. Any pocket pairs.
My MP range: Any two face cards. Any pocket pairs. Some other shit, depending on who, if anyone, is in the pot.
My LP range: Fucking huge.

Essentially, I'm playing 6max at full ring with a few tweaks toward extracting big profit in certain situations that lend themselves only toward full ring play (namely large multiway pots)...

Here's the difference. Few limpers, you're on the button with a decent suited connector. Call? Sure, you should call. But I raise. When I flop it hard, they'll pay it hard and I'm inflating the pot. I also set my self up to take free cards when I need them, which is obscenely profitable as well.

Its very small things like that. You may think I'm being some 50/30 maniac. No, no I'm not:

{Edit - Imaged removed because I guess it could give the impression that I was brag-posting. Wasn't the point. The point is I'm running approximately 20/16.}

Another difference, lets say someone in MP opens the pot for a raise. His PFR is about 3%. What do you do? You fold almost everything because you know he has to have AA, KK, QQ.

Me? I'm licking my fucking lips and playing a wide range -- but an UNDOMINATED one. I just want live cards. AJo loses value in this case -- I could be drawing almost entirely dead! But J9s... those cards are live. And when I hit the flop hard, this rock is going to pay me off.

Eupho's correlation to the Fundamental Theorem of Poker: Poker is so fucking easy when you know exactly what your opponents have. Predictable rocks make this so, so, simple.

[elipsesjeff]

Pfft arki. Thats not exploiting anyone.

When you say open up preflop I assume you mean popping AJs KQs, possibly KJs ATs in ep, maybe 99; add such as ATo and KJo from middle position, be a little more daring in late position...?

I honestly laughed out loud at this. AJs, KQs, KJs, ATs in EP are AUTO raises. No thought, no doubt about it. 99? Are you kidding? Bump it up! I don't like raising 22-33 in EP, its a little out of my comfort zone -- but I'm doing it anyway.

My EP range: Any two face cards. Any pocket pairs.
My MP range: Any two face cards. Any pocket pairs. Some other shit, depending on who, if anyone, is in the pot.
My LP range: Fucking huge.

Essentially, I'm playing 6max at full ring with a few tweaks toward extracting big profit in certain situations that lend themselves only toward full ring play (namely large multiway pots)...

Here's the difference. Few limpers, you're on the button with a decent suited connector. Call? Sure, you should call. But I raise. When I flop it hard, they'll pay it hard and I'm inflating the pot. I also set my self up to take free cards when I need them, which is obscenely profitable as well.

Its very small things like that. You may think I'm being some 50/30 maniac. No, no I'm not:

{Edit by Euph -- image removed. See above post.}

Another difference, lets say someone in MP opens the pot for a raise. His PFR is about 3%. What do you do? You fold almost everything because you know he has to have AA, KK, QQ.

Me? I'm licking my fucking lips and playing a wide range -- but an UNDOMINATED one. I just want live cards. AJo loses value in this case -- I could be drawing almost entirely dead! But J9s... those cards are live. And when I hit the flop hard, this rock is going to pay me off.

Eupho's correlation to the Fundamental Theorem of Poker: Poker is so fucking easy when you know exactly what your opponents have. Predictable rocks make this so, so, simple.

Guh, because you have a 3700 hand upswing playing full ring you think you're an expert?

Raising unsuited face cards is a huge leak in EP, with an exception to ATo+ and KQo+, and even those hands are debatable and probably breakeven in the long run. Also, open raising mid pairs is also a bit too loose in EP, but you might be able to open limp them on the right tables.

Before you start going around and telling people how good you are get some more hands in man, no disrespect but you've put in stretches like this before.

[euphoricism]

Note: Those stats are a little tighter than I'd like them to be. I was hoping theyd come out around 23/18ish. But I can't complain too much.

[euphoricism]

Didn't say anything like that jeff. But yes, I do feel that I am an expert at this "poker" thing. I didn't read no books or anything, but I did stay a holiday inn.

Raising unsuited face cards is a huge leak in EP, with an exception to ATo+ and KQo+, and even those hands are debatable and probably breakeven in the long run.

Are there other unsuited face cards I'm not aware of? I guess it could be QJo and .. QTo (edit: oops, KJo too). Ok, fair enough, I don't think I raise QTo utg. QJo I'm borderline. KJo is a raise.

Before you start going around and telling people how good you are get some more hands in man, no disrespect but you've put in stretches like this before.

I never once mentioned "how good I am".

[euphoricism]

Raising unsuited face cards is a huge leak in EP, with an exception to ATo+ and KQo+, and even those hands are debatable and probably breakeven in the long run.

Are there other unsuited face cards I'm not aware of? I guess it could be QJo and .. QTo (edit: oops, KJo too). Ok, fair enough, I don't think I raise QTo utg. QJo I'm borderline. KJo is a raise.

[/quote]

Forgot KTo too. I'll say I don't like offsuit tens. I'll generally fold them unless I'm feeling snarky. QTo, KTo. ATo is an exception.

[euphoricism]

I also wasnt aware that tens were "face cards", if that counts for anything. Didn't think a ten was technically a face card, which might have been some of the confusion. My original post is accurate as I meant it.

[Nehmer]

From my experience playing FR, I will say that playing KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo, and JTo from UTG or UTG+1 is a big leak whether you are raising or not. I have a fairly large sample size that shows KQo as a barely above breakeven hand when limped UTG and a decent winner when raised. AJo is about the same. ATo is about breakeven for me in both cases.

As far as playing 6-max style in FR goes, I will say this. According to my database, the biggest winning regular that I play with on party is an 18/14 player. The player with the highest VPIP and decent winrate with a fairly large sample size is 22/12 with a 1.21 BB/100 winrate over 15,000 hands. Every other player I have with a fairly large sample size(over 10,000 hands) and a VPIP above 22 is a losing or barely above breakeven player. I'm not saying that you can't be a winning player with 26/17 stats or something like that, but I definately think in FR(at least at the 2/4 - 5/10 level of play), you are going to have a much easier time of it with a VPIP around 16-19.

[euphoricism]

From my experience playing FR, I will say that playing KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo, and JTo from UTG or UTG+1 is a big leak whether you are raising or not. I have a fairly large sample size that shows KQo as a barely above breakeven hand when limped UTG and a decent winner when raised. AJo is about the same. ATo is about breakeven for me in both cases.

As far as playing 6-max style in FR goes, I will say this. According to my database, the biggest winning regular that I play with on party is an 18/14 player. The player with the highest VPIP and decent winrate with a fairly large sample size is 22/12 with a 1.21 BB/100 winrate over 15,000 hands. Every other player I have with a fairly large sample size(over 10,000 hands) and a VPIP above 22 is a losing or barely above breakeven player. I'm not saying that you can't be a winning player with 26/17 stats or something like that, but I definately think in FR(at least at the 2/4 - 5/10 level of play), you are going to have a much easier time of it with a VPIP around 16-19.

If you re-read, you'll see that my stats are approximately 20/16ish. we're not talking 25/20 here. But we're not talking 18/8 either. Essentially, we're just raising more preflop.

[Nehmer]

From my experience playing FR, I will say that playing KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo, and JTo from UTG or UTG+1 is a big leak whether you are raising or not. I have a fairly large sample size that shows KQo as a barely above breakeven hand when limped UTG and a decent winner when raised. AJo is about the same. ATo is about breakeven for me in both cases.

As far as playing 6-max style in FR goes, I will say this. According to my database, the biggest winning regular that I play with on party is an 18/14 player. The player with the highest VPIP and decent winrate with a fairly large sample size is 22/12 with a 1.21 BB/100 winrate over 15,000 hands. Every other player I have with a fairly large sample size(over 10,000 hands) and a VPIP above 22 is a losing or barely above breakeven player. I'm not saying that you can't be a winning player with 26/17 stats or something like that, but I definately think in FR(at least at the 2/4 - 5/10 level of play), you are going to have a much easier time of it with a VPIP around 16-19.

If you re-read, you'll see that my stats are approximately 20/16ish. we're not talking 25/20 here. But we're not talking 18/8 either. Essentially, we're just raising more preflop.

Sorry, somehow I missed the part where you mentioned 20/16, but had just seen where you told him his VPIP and PFR should both be 10 higher in the first post.

[euphoricism]

Yea thats true, I did say that. 5% to the vpip, 10% to the PFR is more what I'm thinking.

[littleogre]

Didn't say anything like that jeff. But yes, I do feel that I am an expert at this "poker" thing. I didn't read no books or anything, but I did stay a holiday inn.

Raising unsuited face cards is a huge leak in EP, with an exception to ATo+ and KQo+, and even those hands are debatable and probably breakeven in the long run.

Are you saying one should not raise Aj off in Ep?

Are there other unsuited face cards I'm not aware of? I guess it could be QJo and .. QTo (edit: oops, KJo too). Ok, fair enough, I don't think I raise QTo utg. QJo I'm borderline. KJo is a raise.

Before you start going around and telling people how good you are get some more hands in man, no disrespect but you've put in stretches like this before.

I never once mentioned "how good I am".

[euphoricism]

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