Waiting for the nuts deepstacked. 200+ BB pot vs lagtard.

[Ravageur]

Alright, Villain is on 2 of my tables and is probably the biggest lagtard i've EVER played against. His stats are about 50/40 with a 3 agression factor and he's firing bullets on every street with any two. This being said, he's shown some signs of poker knowledge making some good semi-bluffs and stacking a few people with deceiving hands (people are paying him off because of his image). Here are a couple hands leading up to the final showdown between us. I'll post results in the first two but not in the 3rd seeing as that's the one I'm really looking for thoughts on.

Hand 1: Just to show that he should know that I'm not a complete donktard and am aware enough to call him down with marginal holdings and that he can't run me over (which he's been doing to everyone else at table)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($427.70)
Button ($1516.91)
Hero ($467)
BB ($421.50)
UTG ($319.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 8. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $12, 1 fold.

Flop: ($32) Q, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $16, Hero calls $16.

Turn: ($64) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($64) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $27, Hero calls $27.

Villain shows 10-8 off.

Final Pot: $118

Hand 2 : His reraising range is light to say the least. I'm not about to play 10s for set value against this guy. Pretty standard.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($400)
BB ($197.50)
UTG ($873)
MP ($224.40)
Hero ($1389.23)
Button ($430.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, T. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, BB raises to $51, UTG folds, Hero calls $1371.23 (All-In), BB calls $142.50 (All-In).

Flop: ($1592.73) K, 8, 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($1592.73) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1592.73) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1592.73

Converter messed up : Villain showed AJ off with J of hearts for a flush.


Ok, here it is. He's been on a heater stacking a couple people and I've lost a bunch of pots in a row. I suppose I'm on semi-tilt, but I did think this hand through before making my decision. Any thoughts either than 'You have TPNK so fold are appreciated'.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($400)
SB ($932.90)
BB ($1405.60)
UTG ($271.20)
Hero ($898.13)
CO ($472.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 7. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $12, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($42) 5, 8, A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $30, SB raises to $99, BB folds, Hero raises to $300, SB calls $819.90 (All-In), Hero calls $584.13 (All-In).

[Genitruc]

I saw this hand take place original poster should note that villain tanked for a long time before shoving in hand 3.

[midas06]

I dunno, he check/raised/4bet ai, even a retard gets hands sometimes.

[Cocco_Bill]

Generally if a good lag gets you to lower your standards this much when 200bb deep, then he has won.

Your hand could be good here but then again so could K high.

[Ravageur]

Generally if a good lag gets you to lower your standards this much when 200bb deep, then he has won.

Your hand could be good here but then again so could K high.

I should've stressed that he's not a good lag. I only posted some hands I had with him, but i had constantly seen him do so awful things on other tables against people who obviously weren't folding. One being him overbet pushing with a straight on a 4-connected, 3 flush, paired board.

My thinking on the hand was 'He reraises AJ, AQ, AK, AA and 88 here everytime preflop. He had been reraising me pf about 1/3 of the time I raised. I'm worried about A9, A10, A5 and 55. My initial thought was 'Make it 300 and fold to the push', but when he took so long pushing it reminded me of a hand where he called AI earlier with a double belly buster. Here it seemed the same pattern, he just couldn't fold a draw. I definitely should've included this thought process in my initial post.

I guess in retrospect posting this hand is useless since it's so feel dependant.

I definitely agree though that if I'm making this call without a ridiculous read for this big a pot, than the Lagtard has indeed outplayed me badly.

[Cocco_Bill]

fair enough.

I just don't like 3 betting here at all as anything but a fold from him puts you in an awkward situation.

I wouldn't necesseraly interpret him taking his time in this spot as weakness either.

[Demiparadigm]

Reminds me of this hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($72.58)
SB ($424.22)
BB ($201.65)
UTG ($165.79)
MP ($467.41)
Hero ($703.38)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $31, 1 fold, Hero raises to $65, SB raises to $97, Hero raises to $200, SB calls $102.

Flop: ($402) J, 7, J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $300, SB calls $224.22 (All-In).

Turn: ($926.22) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($926.22) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $926.22

Results in white below:
SB has Ac Qh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has As Ah (full house, jacks full of aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $926.22.

[r8ed]

I hate it except for the fact you went with your gut - which makes me love it. Trust yourself. You probably picked up on something that you can't describe here. I make some ludicrous calls based on my gut even when the board tells me I'm wrong...and I'm right 4 out of 5 times. Most of the time it's missed river draws or out of character plays by opponents. This would be a sick read by you.

[Cocco_Bill]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why? You had no tough decisions in this hand..

[jo]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why?

Isn't it obvious? They are both hands of NL Hold'em. Sheesh...

[Ravageur]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why?

Isn't it obvious? They are both hands of NL Hold'em. Sheesh...

Rofl, pwned. Now we just need RIPJohnGotti's input to make this thread of the month. Come on plz...a little insight perhaps Rip?

[r8ed]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why? You had no tough decisions in this hand..

Demi is the lagtard here. He's showing how people start to commit chips with basically nothing just because Villain is loose aggressive.

[Renton]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why? You had no tough decisions in this hand..

Demi is the lagtard here. He's showing how people start to commit chips with basically nothing just because Villain is loose aggressive.

pwned

[Fnord]

Threads like this are good for the game.

Demi needs to post more too.

[Ravageur]

I think Demi's post would've been great if he had said 'I had a loose table image going into this hand'.
Just posting the hand made no sense to me either than seeing a fish give away his money (referring to what I was doing?). But pwned indeed.

[gabe]

dont reraise the flop when it gets back to you. if hes a lag tard let him bluff at it again on the turn.

the first A8o hand is gross. especially preflop.

[Cocco_Bill]

Reminds me of this hand:

Why? You had no tough decisions in this hand..

Demi is the lagtard here. He's showing how people start to commit chips with basically nothing just because Villain is loose aggressive.

Isn't that the point I was arguing myself? The guy with the AQ is obviously a huge fish or on major tilt, the hands are not similar at all.

[Ravageur]

dont reraise the flop when it gets back to you. if hes a lag tard let him bluff at it again on the turn.

the first A8o hand is gross. especially preflop.

I don't see why flat calling his c/r is the best way when I'm putting him on a draw. I thought I had the best hand on the flop, so I wanted to get the money in. Seems like standard poker theorum.

The first A8o hand i guess is odd. I'm folding that pf to anyone else but this guy who's raising 40% of hands. I'm obviously ahead of his range but I'm spot hesitant to re-pop this preflop (he's definitely not folding to my re-raise) and play such a trash hand OOP into someone I have very little f/e against. I think it's a tough situation, folding preflop is fine, but I think it's too weak against this villain.

[gabe]

The first A8o hand i guess is odd. I'm folding that pf to anyone else but this guy who's raising 40% of hands. I'm obviously ahead of his range but I'm spot hesitant to re-pop this preflop (he's definitely not folding to my re-raise) and play such a trash hand OOP into someone I have very little f/e against. I think it's a tough situation, folding preflop is fine, but I think it's too weak against this villain.

it doesnt matter if you are ahead of his range, you will make more mistakes postflop because of your position and reverse implied odds.

as far as the hand in question, calling the flop raise is much better. i doubt hes on a pure bluff here, he has an ace (or better) or a draw. if you call and let him push turn, you can fold to any card that hits when the draw comes. he isn't likely to bluff the draw because after you call his flop raise its too likely that you have it. also, remember if you never fold the flop, his bet doesn't really price him in for a draw.

[Ravageur]

Ok, noted. Thx for the input Gabe.

[Fnord]

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

[r8ed]

I didn't point out Demi was a lagtard to make it seem like OP was dumb or just fishing. I pointed it out to explain why he posted it since people questioned his post.

That's why Demi plays overly loose aggressive. He pisses people off enough to get them to pay him off.

[Genitruc]

FTR Pay-per-view of the month :

Sober twosevoff vs Demi. No holds-barred. Free popcorn at my place.

[midas06]

whatever happened to that guy

[Fnord]

whatever happened to that guy

Busto?

[Genitruc]

whatever happened to that guy

Busto?

no doubt. 2 bad he was awesome player woulda been nice if he had stuck around posted some more....

btw before this thread dies, results don't matter but I watched the "big" hand take place (OP) and it was awesome. Villain had bare club draw. He missed. Yay reads.

[gabe]

if i had a read he was on a club draw i would have not went allin on the flop. hes sticking it in on turn no matter what so might as well wait to see if you are good.

[scarface737]

he must have a flush draw figuring even if u call the semi bluff he has outs;

only if hes really has lag as u say