Turned Set of Tens vs. Strange PFR Line

[martindcx1e]

Did he flop the nuts or turn the nuts or what? Try to get past the lack of a pfr...

50NL

Hero is UTG ($50) with
Villain is CO ($50)

Pre-Flop
Hero calls .50
Villain raises to $3.25
BU calls $3.25
Hero calls $2.75

Flop (3 Players, Pot = $10)


Hero checks
Villain checks
BU checks

Turn (3 Players, Pot = $10)


Hero bets $7
Villain raises to $17
BU folds
Hero calls $10

River (2 Players, Pot = $44)


Hero checks
Villain is All-In (~$30)
Hero ?

[dpe8598]

This hand is 100% about a read. W/out any read whatsoever I might fold, but you are getting about 7.5 to 3 on your money and AQ is the hand I'm worrying about most here. I talked myself into it, against unknowns and crappy players I call, against solids I fold.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

I'd fold and not think to much of it.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I literally go puke in the nearest trash can and call as there is 3 seconds left till autofold comes.

[Margin Of Error]

Why is he open pushing the river with the nuts? I think a hand like K10/J10 is much more likely.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Why is he open pushing the river with the nuts? I think a hand like K10/J10 is much more likely.

It's only a 2/3 pot bet. You wouldn't push with KK/JJ/AQ here? I know I'm shoving.

[martindcx1e]

i folded

[dpe8598]

Why is he open pushing the river with the nuts? I think a hand like K10/J10 is much more likely.

It's only a 2/3 pot bet. You wouldn't push with KK/JJ/AQ here? I know I'm shoving.

JJ and KK are certainly possible, but Im paying off set over set here almost every time. Only time I'm not is if I'm up against a total nit and I know for a fact that he has AA or KK and both of those are on the board, then I might let go of my set.

As it is, I'm worried most about AQ and w/ 7.5 to 3 odds, I'm calling most of the time here.

[martindcx1e]

i think the pfr's check on the flop is really important here. he's either drawing or not too worried about ppl catching up. surely a single pair hand cbets no?

[NLHE lahooozaher]

i think the pfr's check on the flop is really important here. he's either drawing or not too worried about ppl catching up. surely a single pair hand cbets no?

Sometimes a megadonk with AA/AK but for the most part all pairs bet. I think it's a good fold because I don't think the odds justify the call.

[Margin Of Error]

I dont like checking the river, lead out for like $18-20. Checking the river is basically telling anyone but a huge donk you dont like your hand and want to be pushed off it.

[dpe8598]

I dont like checking the river, lead out for like $18-20. Checking the river is basically telling anyone but a huge donk you dont like your hand and want to be pushed off it.

This is the reason I like the check/call here. Your right, anyone will want to push you off your hand including a lot of hands that you have beat and that wouldn't have called a raise. Meanwhile, hands that beat you will raise too, but they were going to do that anyway, now werent they.

[nutsinho]

easy fold, sorry

[martindcx1e]

easy fold, sorry

yay more approval

[MiJ]

push the turn..

[martindcx1e]

push the turn..

why?

[MiJ]

push the turn..

why?

it depends on the player. any stats would be helpful.
if he's 20/10/2
a CO raise makes his range so wide that you cant really pinpoint what hand he has
he could have set as easily as he could have 2pair/set/ ...if he has a set or the str8 o well..it really depends on the player but im stacking off here on the turn..

if i had to put money on it ,based on his line i would say he had AQ ,kk/jj...i still stack off the turn

also any reads at all would be helpful..

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Why is he open pushing the river with the nuts?

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[givememyleg]

Try to get past the lack of a pfr...

I'm trying real real hard!

I think the only hand that does this that you beat would be 77/KJ/AK(?)... stats/reads would help to know if KJ/AK is in his range. I think it's a good fold.

[martindcx1e]

push the turn..

why?

it depends on the player. any stats would be helpful.
if he's 20/10/2
a CO raise makes his range so wide that you cant really pinpoint what hand he has
he could have set as easily as he could have 2pair/set/ ...if he has a set or the str8 o well..it really depends on the player but im stacking off here on the turn..

if i had to put money on it ,based on his line i would say he had AQ ,kk/jj...i still stack off the turn

also any reads at all would be helpful..

if i had reads i would say them. what do you put villain on after he checks flop?

[Miffed22001]

question:
WTF do we actually beat other than AK?
FWIW, is this player good enough to c/r with a monster or even just check in a multiway pot with only a gutshot?
I think id c/c the turn and look to c/c the river because i am concerned i have a monster second best hand i dont want to really stack off with.

[Phantaroth]

I call, this is a nice pot and I do not give the players credit for having the nuts as much as you guys do in this spot.

[martindcx1e]

I think id c/c the turn and look to c/c the river because i am concerned i have a monster second best hand i dont want to really stack off with.

after he checked flop i was really suspicious. is this why you c/c turn? it seems like i am more concerned with the flop check than most others are.

[bigslikk]

I'm pretty sure ppl only check a pair in a large pot if its HU. This board is straight-dangerous and its a three-way- I think JT and KT would cbet for sure. Im pretty sure KJ would play around as well. Only hands that would check flop in this contested pot would be a set or total crap- KK, JJ or 77, or AQ. I really don't see the villain holding a 2 pair.

[Miffed22001]

I think id c/c the turn and look to c/c the river because i am concerned i have a monster second best hand i dont want to really stack off with.

after he checked flop i was really suspicious. is this why you c/c turn? it seems like i am more concerned with the flop check than most others are.

Pot control
out of position
Very scary board given what we determine to be villains preflop range.
FWIW, i should really be saying that stacking off with a set is always good at 50nl, but maybe here it isnt.
Opps line makes no sense against anything we beat, and we dont beat shit to be fairly honest.

[Margin Of Error]

I call, this is a nice pot and I do not give the players credit for having the nuts as much as you guys do in this spot.

This is my problem with it. How can you give an unknown credit for a monster in a hand where the Hero seems to have played extremely weak/passive. I would have to call this without reads. I think leading the river for $18-20 is almost always +EV against an unknown in this spot.

[Miffed22001]

I call, this is a nice pot and I do not give the players credit for having the nuts as much as you guys do in this spot.

This is my problem with it. How can you give an unknown credit for a monster in a hand where the Hero seems to have played extremely weak/passive. I would have to call this without reads. I think leading the river for $18-20 is almost always +EV against an unknown in this spot.

if we bet the river we arent folding.
The turn raise commited us to the pot, hence why i c/c block bet or c/c and c/c river for a decent price.

[Ash256]

I like this fold, I'm thinking KK, possibly AQ, but it really smells of KK to me.

[DaHorror]

I fold the river sometimes...if he doesn't have KK/AQ then he'll be gone soon playing like this. It doesn't matter whether he's solid or a donk...even donks push the nuts.

[Cocco_Bill]

Why is he open pushing the river with the nuts? I think a hand like K10/J10 is much more likely.

I dont like checking the river, lead out for like $18-20. Checking the river is basically telling anyone but a huge donk you dont like your hand and want to be pushed off it.

This reasoning is horrible, anyone trying to learn poker should just ignore these posts.

[Miffed22001]

I fold the river sometimes...if he doesn't have KK/AQ then he'll be gone soon playing like this. It doesn't matter whether he's solid or a donk...even donks push the nuts.

dont underestimate how well this hand is played. Most players at 50nl are incapable of trying to take a free card on the flop here. Checking kkk however is a little dodgy as you expect callers and action on this flop from weaker hands.