Draw Bet sizing

[Jager]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($151.95)
SB ($223.40)
Hero ($146)
UTG ($55.25)
MP ($269.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 8.
2 folds, Button raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.50) 9, 4, A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises to $12, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($30.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets ???

[benny999]

being oop sucks there, unless he is clueless...then u can bet like $1.
or if he's tight enough, bet an amount that leaves a reasonable river shove left.
oops, just saw stacks at 150bb. I actually don't really know. do you think he ever folds? I guess just keep repping a set if you think so, or probably c/f if not.

[Fnord]

I often just bet this flop, particularly if he's a thinking player.
Another fun line is to check/call it intending on betting any river if he shows no further sign of aggression.

As played, it's a really easy turn check, unless you think a second barrel will sell him on being beat.

[iceit]

like previously said, being oop really sucks here, so you are at a huge disadvantage. Plus there is an A on the flop. If it were any other card I think that I would attempt but alot of players get hooked on their TPTK and can't let it go so its hard to represent the A when your opponent already has one. I would go with a c/f to the end.

[Fnord]

its hard to represent the A when your opponent already has one.

Why are we putting him on an Ace? I see no reason to think he has one up until he calls our flop c/r. A whole lot of the button's range hates that flop, but will bet anyway just because it's heads-up and the field is too weak to regularly contest Axx boards.

[iceit]

its hard to represent the A when your opponent already has one.

Why are we putting him on an Ace? I see no reason to think he has one up until he calls our flop c/r. A whole lot of the button's range hates that flop, but will bet anyway just because it's heads-up and the field is too weak to regularly contest Axx boards.

Sorry I misread the hand. I thought that it was the hero that raised preflop and the villan that called the pfr. That is why I put the villan on an A. But the fact remains that on the turn, the heros hand still hasn't improved on the turn and I believe that we gave the villan a chance to fold his hand on the flop when we reraised him and he didn't take it, so checking is pretty much the only reasonable thing to do on the turn.

[Genitruc]

he can have a better flush draw here

this is a shitty shitty spot and one of the reasons I don't like c/raising bare flushdraws. If you have some juicy 15 outer waiting for you on the turn it's much easier to play since check-calling is almost always +ev when you brick the turn.

But usually potting this turn gets him to fold a lot of hands if he's not a donk. Also, if he smooth-called your flop raise, he's prob not raising the turn. So you can prob set your price here.

[Jager]

Well here I bet $15, I try not to bet myself off my draw. He folded. I am just not sure if this thought process is correct.

[Fnord]

Putting in an extra $5 is well worth it both for balance and to sell him on his Ace (or whatever) not being any good.

Some guys need to see follow-through and just refuse to fold to a single act of aggression. It's something to keep track of.

[benny999]

Putting in an extra $5 is well worth it both for balance and to sell him on his Ace (or whatever) not being any good.

Some guys need to see follow-through and just refuse to fold to a single act of aggression. It's something to keep track of.

definitely a good way to put this spot.
I wasn't factoring in that it was a button raise in my first post, but some call the flop once with A-little or KK, and fold for 2/3 but may consider for 1/2.

[IowaSkinsFan]

As Fnord said, turn is an easy check because he called the flop, why the hell would he fold the turn? (Lol to doing that).

[gabe]

i rarely check raise flp here

[Jager]

unless you think a second barrel will sell him on being beat.

The Villain here is a loose raiser, but semi solid player. He is capable of folding even TPGK in this spot.

[Lukie]

As Fnord said, turn is an easy check because he called the flop, why the hell would he fold the turn? (Lol to doing that).

serious or no?

[Lukie]

iowa, I obviously can't vouch for this specific villain, but people call flop check/raises all the time only to fold to a turn bet...

[jyms]

iowa, I obviously can't vouch for this specific villain, but people call flop check/raises all the time only to fold to a turn bet...

I find this is because they are usually on a draw as well. Many are willing to call any bet or C/R on the flop to catch their draw/overs/set, but not the turn. By then the bets are getting to the point that if it misses they are out 1/3 or more of their stack. Also if they hit their flush draw on the river, whats the chance now you pay them off with a (what they think is) made hand facing a draw heavy board, or three to the flush in this case.