Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.

[IowaSkinsFan]

What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all inand hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?

[Fnord]

I think the answer is that barring a really really terrible player read online you need to just make a value bet and accept that you're not going to win a big pot without building one up first. Your best hope is to draw a bluff raise (almost never happens) or get someone to make a river raise with something slow played (Backwards Aces, set, rivered second best.) Once raised, then you can consider an over-the-top-re-raise.

That being said, if you're playing a funny laggy game that makes over-bets routinely into small pots you might actually get a call. For the more TAggy sorts, I just don't think it's gonna happen.

This is exactly why I like to bet into nothing pots online if I have 4+ outs to the nuts.

[bbqsquirrel]

What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?

I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.

Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860

[uscheese]

[quote="bbqsquirrel"]

Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860

Wow...talk about waiting too long to bet your pocket pair (a common theme of another discussion today)

also "backdooring the nuts" sounds kinda creepy to me

[Miffed22001]

What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?

I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.

Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860

hmmmm.

Fwiw, getting the best value, no matter what that 'best' relates to in cash/bbs is the most important feature. I find people will show down bottom pair if you even just bet 1bb into a 4bb pot. That might actually be maximum value at times...