Overpair hands

[jackvance]

hand 1:
** Game ID 1165684473 starting - 2007-01-27 20:28:51
** Lax [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- Gertel_ sitting in seat 1 with $11.72
- crist55 sitting in seat 2 with $24.84
- hegeli sitting in seat 3 with $18.25 [Dealer]
- Ronald23 sitting in seat 4 with $17.84
- HERO sitting in seat 5 with $16.60
- chatonpoker sitting in seat 6 with $20.00
Ronald23 posted the small blind - $0.10
winterGT posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to HERO: King of Hearts, King of Clubs
Gertel_ folded
crist55 called - $0.20
hegeli folded
Ronald23 called - $0.20
HERO bet - $1.20
crist55 called - $1.20
Ronald23 folded
** Dealing the flop: Queen of Clubs, 3 of Clubs, 8 of Spades
HERO bet - $1.77
crist55 called - $1.77
** Dealing the turn: 3 of Hearts
HERO bet - $4.00
crist55 called - $4.00
** Dealing the river: 7 of Diamonds
HERO? ($10 behind on a $14 pot.. check, block bet or shove?)

I can't really put him on a range here.. basically anything. Qx, 8x, flush draw, some weird 2p, set, hell even a 3. Sorry if this is basic...


hand 2:
** Game ID 1165681752 starting - 2007-01-27 20:27:22
** Kungsfisk [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- sarkan2 sitting in seat 1 with $43.65 [Dealer]
- AnThOnY_11 sitting in seat 2 with $2.67
- Jocho sitting in seat 3 with $23.70
- HERO sitting in seat 4 with $25.90
- eriklund sitting in seat 5 with $16.97
- wertwert sitting in seat 6 with $26.36
AnThOnY_11 posted the small blind - $0.10
Jocho posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to winterGT: Queen of Clubs, Queen of Spades
HERO raised - $1.00
eriklund folded
wertwert folded
sarkan2 called - $1.00
AnThOnY_11 folded
Jocho called - $1.00
** Dealing the flop: 3 of Clubs, 5 of Clubs, 8 of Spades
Jocho bet - $0.77
HERO raised - $2.80
sarkan2 folded
Jocho called - $2.80
** Dealing the turn: 3 of Spades
Jocho checked
HERO bet - $5.00
Jocho called - $5.00
** Dealing the river: 4 of Clubs
Jocho checked
HERO: ?? (check behind, value bet?)

Again, dunno what he has but a flush draw and some straight draws (or 2p if he is playing SCs) just got there..

[NLHE lahooozaher]

First hand: bet
Second hand: I'd check, if it wasn't the 4c or 9c I'd bet.

[Miffed22001]

1. Bet, call a raise all in anyway. (is this prima? i expect to see the queen here more than anything else)
If you really think he had a draw then check and hope he pushes it all off.

2. Check here, although i think its a fair arguement also that a better hand would have led into you here but the river fills up every draw, so we only beat a calling station.

[jackvance]

Ok I was doubting myself a bit when I made this post, wondering if I was just getting coolered or actually playing bad. Blah I should just have more patience.

hand 1: I figure vs these sorts of players I have to felt overpairs so I shoved, and he called with K3 for trips.

hand 2: I'd expect a good player to lead out if he made his hand, but here I dunno so I checked behind and he had 56o.

[Miffed22001]

if this IS prima, they normally minraise that turn with the trips and make it easy for you to fold. Unusual to see them make the call after luckboxxing it.

[Harry]

Value bet hand 1 and check behind hand 2.

I thought you played higher stakes than this though.

[Genitruc]

I bet both rivers (shove depending on stack sizes/potsize) especially hand 2 where I almost never see ppl c/raising big hands on river at these stakes.

edit : I can see why checking hand 2 is good since the st8 might have gotten there and is playing scared of the flush.

[jackvance]

Value bet hand 1 and check behind hand 2.

I thought you played higher stakes than this though.

I'm trying to get back there. I hadn't played in a few months so I recently restarted with a $130 BR. I think I'm rather overskilled for 20NL (lol), and feel bored when playing there so I'm not exactly playing A+.. guess this is normal. But I figure I have to stick it out until I remake a decent roll.

[jackvance]

if this IS prima, they normally minraise that turn with the trips and make it easy for you to fold. Unusual to see them make the call after luckboxxing it.

Yeah this is prima, I'm still playing on unibet because I can cash out to my bank account directly from there. And I also figured I'd have gotten minraised if I was beat, guess they aren't that dumb anymore.

Anyway, I'm basically playing weak/tight atm, waiting to make a hand.. I really want to play more aggressive but I just think it's retarded to be semi-bluffing draws and stuff like that when they call like this (with bottom pair etc).. agree?

[Kits]

I agree. Even at $25NL I have the same problem. You really can't get too aggressive/fancy at these stakes. Boredom can cause some sloppy play so you need to watch that.

[Miffed22001]

if this IS prima, they normally minraise that turn with the trips and make it easy for you to fold. Unusual to see them make the call after luckboxxing it.

Yeah this is prima, I'm still playing on unibet because I can cash out to my bank account directly from there. And I also figured I'd have gotten minraised if I was beat, guess they aren't that dumb anymore.

Anyway, I'm basically playing weak/tight atm, waiting to make a hand.. I really want to play more aggressive but I just think it's retarded to be semi-bluffing draws and stuff like that when they call like this (with bottom pair etc).. agree?

yeah, they pay draws almost always anyway.

[jackvance]

I bet both rivers (shove depending on stack sizes/potsize) especially hand 2 where I almost never see ppl c/raising big hands on river at these stakes.

Surprisingly, the contrary is true. The standard seems to be to check a monster on the river OOP. I'm actually decreasing my value bets on the river now because of this..

[Genitruc]

I bet both rivers (shove depending on stack sizes/potsize) especially hand 2 where I almost never see ppl c/raising big hands on river at these stakes.

Surprisingly, the contrary is true. The standard seems to be to check a monster on the river OOP. I'm actually decreasing my value bets on the river now because of this..

wow surprising. I guess this just gives more weight to the strange phenomenon of super high stakes games resembling super low stakes games.

At midstakes, only the better thinking players go for c/raises on the river in my experience. And when I donk around lowstakes I typically see ppl open push and stuff when they make a big hand oop.