mid 2pr no good vs loose-passive?

[benny999]

my only read is he's 30/6/1.7 after 350 hands, and limp-folds a lot pre flop.
also im 25/20, and have isolated him and taken down pots either pre or on the flop or turn a few times.

do you call there? I did, thinking maybe he's getting mad at me, and/or overvaluing top pair and I can fold to a river push.
should I just fold? am I being too cautious?

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1./$2.
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $395.05
UTG+1: $131.85
CO: $207.30
Hero: $280.15
SB: $164.40
BB: $53.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8 J
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: T 8 J ($23, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO raises to $28, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($79, 2 players)
CO bets $50, Hero- wtf, call?

[IowaSkinsFan]

ugh i fold. He's too passive and loose enough to see Q9 and 97 here a lot. As well as other hands like JT or 88.

[Pelion]

check/minraise and then betting out the next street is a very strong line from this guy. I think you are behind most of the time. Not only that but its way behind or a little ahead.

[Miffed22001]

JT?
you arent beating a whole lot fwiw

[zook]

I find I lose some big pots when I think that weak/passive opps I've been pushing around are finally playing back at me. Usually they're not, they actually have a hand.

[Galapogos]

I find I lose some big pots when I think that weak/passive opps I've been pushing around are finally playing back at me. Usually they're not, they actually have a hand.

QFT. These guys aren't waiting around forever to finally push at you with nothing. They've been waiting for a hand. The key to being profitable when pushing these weak-asses around is to not actually pay them off when they finally get the goods.

[benny999]

thanks everybody. you're all right on, especially miffed...but I hit my 2 outer on the river since i'm due for that and 8 is my lucky number, heh. still felt dumb though..

I find I lose some big pots when I think that weak/passive opps I've been pushing around are finally playing back at me. Usually they're not, they actually have a hand.

ya, I agree this is a key lesson. once in a while I have a hand where I ignore this and rationalize it as fighting against my image, but you're all right, ppl are usually more stuck in there ways.

[Miffed22001]

thanks everybody. you're all right on, especially miffed...but I hit my 2 outer on the river since i'm due for that and 8 is my lucky number, heh. still felt dumb though..

I find I lose some big pots when I think that weak/passive opps I've been pushing around are finally playing back at me. Usually they're not, they actually have a hand.

ya, I agree this is a key lesson. once in a while I have a hand where I ignore this and rationalize it as fighting against my image, but you're all right, ppl are usually more stuck in there ways.

id felt a set here without thought but not two pair, especially when the loose/passives come out firing. top two is an ugly ugly spot here (depsite opp having that etc)

[Genitruc]

gross spot

I feel foldy if villain is truly passive postflop.