Good Play or Spew???

[Jager]

Villain is 15/11, no postflop reads. I have him squarely on a bigger PP, but I think he can fold.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($193)
Hero ($252.15)
UTG ($160)
MP ($324.50)
CO ($224.35)
Button ($199.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($32) 3, 2, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $20, Button folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $60, UTG calls $40.

Turn: ($152) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $184.15 (All-In)

[Genitruc]

If you want him to fold I'd bet about 75-80... makes it look like you want him to try to push you off it.

[Jager]

I was looking to bet close to pot, but I figured a push was close enough. Is this bad reasoning?

[Genitruc]

It's o.k. I just think a smaller bet generally looks scarier to tight villains.

[meeloche]

I agree with Genitruc i think a smaller bet like 1/2 the pot would look a lot scarier then an over bet. To a thinking villain a overbet looks vulnerable if he doesn't read to much into it he might think hes got you beat. It really depends on your read of him though, if hes that tight than i dont think it'll matter the size of the bet hes probably folding anyway unless hes got a monster.

[Fnord]

I was looking to bet close to pot, but I figured a push was close enough. Is this bad reasoning?

It's fine, just think about this stuff on the flop before mindlessly re-raising 3x.

[Jager]

I was rasing for info, I didn't want to squeeze UTG PF I felt he was likely to shove. I was happy to take it down on the flop, I thought he still might push, but if he called I was going to try and take it down on the turn.

[Fnord]

I was rasing for info.

Then why do you consider this turn decision difficult?

[elipsesjeff]

Would leading the flop here "for info" have much value?

[Jager]

I'm just not always sure that my thought process in these spots is correct.

[Fnord]

I'm just not always sure that my thought process in these spots is correct.

I'm not a fan either.

[larsmars]

no postflop reads.

I have him squarely on a bigger PP, but I think he can fold.

He has 92 left and the pot is 152. I wouldn't expect an unknown to fold.

[Renton]

flop sucks for the same reason my raise against you with the J8 sucks. As a full ring player, I could actually fold this flop to the one bet, but I bet most of you guys would hate to do that.

To me, fold the flop, and call the flop fold the turn are the only plausible lines.

[Renton]

Or lead the flop. I really like this.

[sauce123]

I think this is spew against most 15/11s, he may fold 99 TT JJ, but not necesarily. I don't like it. Use your hand reading skills in a better spot.

On a side note, TT is probably the WORST possible hand to do this with. If you have a hand like KQ AK QJ, AQ, AJ, this play is much better, as there are less combinations of a big pair out there and you have outs if he calls.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The turn isnt a big spew IMO, but flop is. I mean personally unless opp is really aggro and if cbetting missed overs on that flop i just c/f.

[koolmoe]

Aren't you usually bet/3betting the flop with a set?

I guess the turn is OK if you want to rep something like 78s/89s, but it is really a good card for Villain as it makes a set of 8's a little more unlikely.

To me, flop + turn looks like a medium/small pair and I'm calling with most overpairs (esp KK/AA) very often.

[noble007]

Obviously there is more thinking involved at your level but at .25 I would definitely look you up with an overpair because the way you've played it doesn't seem like a set or trips & seems like an overpair 99/1010 & often a bluff.

Do you usually raise the flop on a non scary board with a set & push the turn when you make a boat, I doubt it, it seems like a play to scare away an overpair not get money out of them.

Do you usually raise the flop when you hit a pair with a suited connector against a tight preflop raiser - maybe, but then do you push when you hit trips & there are no real draws on the board & you put your opponent on an overpair that is already scared of your flop raise?

Again seems like a play to scare away an overpair not get money out of them & so for these reasons if I had an overpair I would look you up.

[sauce123]

Getting people to fold overpairs is almost always spew IMO- unless we are playing much higher.

[Galapogos]

On a side note, TT is probably the WORST possible hand to do this with. If you have a hand like KQ AK QJ, AQ, AJ, this play is much better, as there are less combinations of a big pair out there and you have outs if he calls.

This is important advice.

[Jager]

attempting to get people to fold overpairs is almost always spew IMO- unless we are playing much higher.

I think this what you meant to say. If they fold then it isn't really spew. After playing this hand I felt I was spewing IF he didn't fold, and I feel that this is not a solid regular strategy eventhough it worked this time.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

15/11's usually aren't good players also, and they aren't necessarily nitty postflop either.