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nut flush draw on flop with two OOP bets (100NL on Party)

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    Default nut flush draw on flop with two OOP bets (100NL on Party)

    I posted this with two other hands a few days ago but it only got two replies. I think this is an interesting hand and I'd like to hear more feedback on it.

    MP is a donk. I didn't have reads on the other guy. What's my best play on the flop?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Hero ($103.60)
    Button ($182.40)
    SB ($83.41)
    BB ($111.35)
    UTG ($154.71)
    MP ($68.05)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
    1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, MP calls $4.

    Flop: ($16) T, J, 6 (3 players)
    SB bets $7, MP raises to $14, Hero ...?
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  2. #2
    Replies from the other thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
    Push and pray you hit one of your outs or everyone else folds. Other people would probably disagree with that.
    Quote Originally Posted by zenbitz
    puke. sb could have anything here. mp is a donk, but still likely has set/2p/flush.
    You have somewhere between 7 and 18 outs! But I would guess 8 at the most, but at least they are all to the nuts (straight flush excepted) . Plus MP only has < current pot behind....

    Wow this is complicated. Folding can't be terrible, because your pot odds are not really there. Pushing doesn't really have any folding equity vs. MP, and only folds SB when he has a worse hand than either you or the SB.

    I think a call might be OK. You are getting ~5:1 implied odds on MP (I think you can expect to stack him if you hit), and SB might call behind with the 3rd best hand.

    If SB pushes over, it would be 70 to call in pot of 161, which you might have to fold.
    Turn sucks if you miss, SB checks and MP pushes.
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    I seem to get it all in a ridiculous amount compared to others, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't see any reason why you don't want all your chips in the middle on this flop. Neither of them have over 100 bbs and I wouldn't let the donk lead affect my decision all that much caus he's going to be folding so much of the time to your 3-bet. I make it 50$ to go and don't fold obviously. If one of them was deepstacked it'd be interesting but this seems pretty standard to me.
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    I would say fold, because I think there's a pretty good chance SB is going to push, but with two AI in front of you you would have 30% equity at least in the pot so you really can't. I agree with Rav.
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