Sweet...wait, wut?

[bigspenda73]

So I find this table which is running 60/5. BB seems to be the only player who has an idea of how to play. However, I have seen him get way out of line with 2pr on a drawy board. I believe I can stack him with the gin card and it hits. Then all hell breaks loose. I blame someone in Vent for talking about calling with gutshots with implied odds.

Button is 77/20/.59 over 30 hands before this one. That's the only reason I want to call. BB practically announces he has a set in chat before he folds.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($38.39)
CO ($23.83)
Button ($25.29)
SB ($49.19)
BB ($25.81)
UTG ($15.39)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, A.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.10) 8, 5, 2 (4 players)
BB bets $0.6, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.60, Button calls $0.60.

Turn: ($2.90) 4 (3 players)
BB bets $1.75, Hero raises to $7, Button raises to $24, BB folds, Hero throws up in his mouth a little.

[Halv]

Stick it in and be glad about it. If he has 76 then nh. I mean, if you're not willing to get it in with the sucker straight then don't chase it.

[bode]

^^^ agreed. As you described villain, he could do this w/ any random 2 pair as much as 67. Get it in and be glad.

[Rondavu]

I blame someone in Vent for talking about calling with gutshots with implied odds.

ROFL. I wonder who that could be. You also have to be aware of potential dead outs. As played I stick it in. You shouldn't be bothered about stacking off with such a well hidden hand.

[seoul_child1]

Stick it in and be glad about it. If he has 76 then nh. I mean, if you're not willing to get it in with the sucker straight then don't chase it.

100% Accurate

[gabe]

you have the 3rd nuts and 100bb, whats the question???

[bigspenda73]

I blame someone in Vent for talking about calling with gutshots with implied odds.

ROFL. I wonder who that could be.

BTW hitting 3outers to chop is the nuts.

[Rondavu]

BTW, I don't see any evidence of implied odds in this spot. I don't remember saying "Chase a gutshot and hope you have implied odds".

What say you?

I think your implied odds are horrendous in this spot. You also have no convincing potential for fold equity if you miss and your opponent shows weakness. In other words a lot of scare cards will come that will kill your implied odds, yet not give you the ability to push the opponent off without a dangerously BIG push.

[bigspenda73]

Yea, I'm still figuring out the entire implied odds thing.

Why is a 4 a scare card for a set or big overpair?

[gabe]

you could raise the flop sometimes too

[IowaSkinsFan]

what's the discussion here and please save your puke for sick situations.

[bigspenda73]

I guess we can start discussing why you even bothered posting in this thread.

A loose passive just 3bet bombed the turn where I make the 3rd nuts on a board where he should really only be holding 67. That's about as pukey as it gets at $25NL.

[Rondavu]

Why is a 4 a scare card for a set or big overpair?

It isn't, but a big overpair isn't likely in this limped pot. What's more likely is a hand like J8, where any 9 T Q K or A will slow it's roll to cheap showdown mode.

You're right about a possible (yet unlikely) set however. You may call with a gutshot, if you feel there's a better than fair chance someone flopped a set, and your make card will make you the absolute nuts. Obviously that is not the case here.

I would rather call with a thin draw on a board where I feel someone flopped a big range, like say you're 150xBB deep and the flop comes out with an A and a K in a raised pot with 3 callers. You a hold JTs you called with for preflop pot odds, and an EP bettor with 150xBB bets 3/4 pot. He gets 1-2 callers before you. It's correct to call on a gutshot, because it's likely a fellow deep stack just flopped huge, and if your card comes the implied odds are candyliscious, since your opponent will be a steaming bull of stackoffedness, since there are very few turns or rivers that will scare them.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Okay ill be less blunt and more clear. Don't fold here. Here's why. OPP is 77/9
POKERSTARS GAME #9219443448: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/04/02 - 18:05:48 (ET)
Table 'Endymion V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Klaskin ($549.75 in chips)
Seat 2: siralos ($398 in chips)
Seat 3: MiniMac_BC ($1226.90 in chips)
Seat 4: redgrape ($536.20 in chips)
Seat 5: BallCup ($374 in chips)
Seat 6: Sexy Leslie ($991.65 in chips)
Sexy Leslie: posts small blind $2
Klaskin: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [8d 8h]
siralos: folds
MiniMac_BC: raises $4 to $8
redgrape: calls $8
BallCup: calls $8
Sexy Leslie: calls $6
Klaskin: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [4d 2s 3h]
Sexy Leslie: checks
Klaskin: checks
MiniMac_BC: bets $24
redgrape: raises $48 to $72
BallCup: folds
Sexy Leslie: folds
Klaskin: folds
MiniMac_BC: raises $48 to $120
redgrape: calls $48
*** TURN *** [4d 2s 3h] [Qs]
MiniMac_BC: checks
redgrape: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 2s 3h Qs] [8c]
MiniMac_BC: checks
redgrape: bets $180
MiniMac_BC: raises $180 to $360
redgrape: raises $48.20 to $408.20 and is all-in
MiniMac_BC: calls $48.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
I'M FUCKED RIGHT? I LOST THIS BIG TIME FUCK! WHY DID I HAVE TO HIT MY 8?
























redgrape: shows [8d 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)
MiniMac_BC: shows [7h 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
redgrape collected $1093.40 from pot

[bigspenda73]

I think my hand plays totally diff. b/c it is multiway. In your hand no draws connected and he wouldn't check the turn with A5/56. He looks to be c/bluffing the river with a missed draw. I really don't see why you think you are beat.

In my hand, the original aggressor is not the player 3betting the turn AI. A player with a .59 AF just doesn't 3bet bomb the turn without a very good reason. Also, when the original bettor tells me he's laying down a set it's hard to put the button on one.

I really think I should've folded. But, as I said, hitting a 3 outter to chop is nice.

[givememyleg]

I think I'd rather call on a flop with a K or Q or something, but I'm still just folding a large majority of the itme.