i'm such a rock deep stacked. help?

[benny999]

im sorta new, seen as tag but no history with villain.
he seems slag, on a rush, but mostly straight forward.
ive reraised some here but not much.
he insta called pre, but paused some on the flop, which gave me the feeling he hit it somehow.

i dont have much deep stack experience with marginal hands, and have been on a break evenish stretch for a while...i think this made me play weak.
how would you play this on each street including reraise size pre flop?
how would u react if you cbet, and he check-raises? (if u flat call, he would lead strong on the turn).


Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1./$2.
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1040.65
UTG+1: $124.95
Hero: $582.65
Button: $1016.95
SB: $231.45
BB: $190.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG raises to $7, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $24, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 8 7 T ($51, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T ($51, 2 players)
UTG bets $51, Hero calls.

River: 2 ($153, 2 players)
UTG bets $153, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $459

[Kagey]

I don't see what he hit on the flop that would cause him to check. If he has a set he isn't giving you a free card, and likely he's raising the draw. I think he's got a small PP and so your line probably gets some value from this. Still don't like checking the flop. The rest seems OK to me but I play these kind of weak too. Seems to depend on whether he likes to play back at the Pre-flop raiser or re-raiser.

[minSim]

how would you play this on each street including reraise size pre flop?
I would just make it a 3xRR, so 21$. I'd bet the flop for 35-40$, slowing down when called and when raised I'd have a hard decision. When called and he lead out on the turn I probably fold.
I can see why you checked here, but with a possible straight and flush draw on the board that could get expensive.

Villains line is difficult to read. I think you're often behind on this river. He could have a T, set, or straight, maybe KK/AA but he probably rereraised that preflop?
It's possible he missed his C/R or C/C on the flop with a made set.

Only thing I see you beat is a PP, missed draw or air...which I probably would give villain credit for playing it this way.

But maybe I'm just too weak?

[IowaSkinsFan]

As played turn is an easy fold.
You're not a rock, but you're passive. Cbet the flop, you're deep and the flop is vunerable, and it's not like you're calling a raise anyways so bet.

Although this looks kinda bluffy it kinda just looks like a missed c/r with a set (although i have no idea why he's betting so hard into your obviously weak hand.)

If he showed a bluff then meh, i need more reads than this to make this call down.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

what he said

[sauce123]

just bet flop...

as played I donno if I find a fold

[YeaURBad]

plays much easier if you bet flop.

ISF- If you check flop I think you have to atleast call the turn and then re-evaluate on river. So I dont think its an easy turn fold by any means. So yeah I would probally call and see a river, but when he pots river I might be able to find a fold but its close.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yeah you're right, i just was so obssesed with betting the flop i made a dumb error. Call turn is std as played, but fold river with no read.

[benny999]

kagey, sauce, yeaurbad -- i assume you fold to a check-raise when you cbet on the flop?

[sauce123]

yea usually, btw the main reason to check flop is to induce exactly the action u dont know how to deal with...

[benny999]

i didn't mean to sound so unsure of dealing with this action on the turn and river...i know those are questionable spots, but i'd rather either just fold on the turn or call both the turn and river. or maybe make a small raise on the turn.

i'm actually thinking this wasnt as bad as i thought at first, given my (slight) reads, and that a lot of the draws blanked, like kagey and minsim wrote.
c-betting and folding to a raise sounds good too though.

but i'm still really wondering about sizing the reraise pre flop. for example, what about reraising to $50 pre flop..is that ridiculous or?

[WildBobAA]

for example, what about reraising to $50 pre flop..is that ridiculous or?

Yes it's ridiculous, you don't want to put your stack in with QQ here, you want to win a medium pot. It seems to me like you're scared of playing postflop. You have to bet this flop. If you get called I'm checking a lot of turns for pot control and then value betting/calling a lot of rivers.

[Genitruc]

I like flat-calling preflop, raising a flop like this, then checking behind on the turn a lot.

Maybe value-bet river if checked-to, definitely call.

As played, and with your image, NH.

[benny999]

I think right after I played this I was being more result oriented than scared of playing post flop from running bad.

villain showed a combo draw, AcJc, and it made me think I should've made it more expensive for him to draw (including pre flop)...
but really it's more important to win a medium pot, like wildbob wrote.

still, i don't agree i "have" to bet this flop. i should have included that this guy seemed to play pretty aggressive with good hands/draws, and loved the bet pot button, so it's reasonable to assume he was planning to check raise pot on the flop.

if he had check-raised, id make a frustrating fold. but this way, i induced bluffs and won a reasonable sized pot. still, it was more of a guessing game, but I think it's close enough to +ev with my reads.

[benny999]

geintruc- that line seems like a good idea too, that i hadnt really considered.

I guess the thinking is that QQ+ becomes less valuable as far as isolating/protecting pre flop when stacks are deep.
like with 100bb I'd make that reraise pf and be ok with getting all in on the flop or turn.