Fun spot

[IowaSkinsFan]

reraiser is 31/20 lagg. Not out of line post, pretty nitty actually post.
other guy is 31/14 lagg.
PokerStars Game #9892548488: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/05/13 - 14:28:53 (ET)
Table 'Mentor IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tido1420 ($156.20 in chips)
Seat 2: wegotBG ($53 in chips)
Seat 3: th2w0 ($282.80 in chips)
Seat 4: 2Hip_44 ($240 in chips)
Seat 5: bheinima ($293.70 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($240 in chips)
wegotBG: posts small blind $1
th2w0: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9h 9d]
2Hip_44: folds
bheinima: folds
redgrape: raises $6 to $8
tido1420: calls $8
wegotBG: folds
th2w0: raises $22 to $30
redgrape: calls $22
tido1420: calls $22
*** FLOP *** [Ts Qd Ad]
th2w0: checks
redgrape: checks
tido1420: bets $20
th2w0: folds
redgrape:

[sauce123]

lol folds.....

4-betting/calling shove pre might be ok also

[dsaxton]

Is this not a clear fold?

[sauce123]

iowa is such a monkey hes like: OMG someone underbet: SHOVE WITH NOT OUTZZZ!!!!!!!!! This is a laughably easy fold.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

4-bet pre is you think the guy is squeezing...

and your definitely a monkey.

[IowaSkinsFan]

so we don't care about how many one pair hands this is?

[sauce123]

when we play a pot we put a villain on a RANGE of hands. when villains 3bet pre we put them on ranges like AK-AJ, 22-AA, scs and junk occasionally. When two ppl call their 3bet and then they underbet into an extremely drawy board we can safely assume they have nothing or are trying to induce a raise. There are 3 ppl in this pot including the pfr, so we can slant their range strongly toward inducing a raise. Now a raise might still be ok with a 9+ out draw like 54dd, but unfortunately we have 99. So what do we do....?? we fold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.P.E.W.

[Miffed22001]

anybody like a preflop push?

[IowaSkinsFan]

makes sense but you tend to play with much more imaginitive players... at the time i felt is was weighted towards weakness.

If he was 22/18 what line do u take if he straighht forward?

[sauce123]

fold fold fold fold fold fold fold fold

[IowaSkinsFan]

anybody like a preflop push?

That's the best move I think.

[sauce123]

lol preflop pushaments

POKERSTARS GAME #9892529491: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/05/13 - 14:27:45 (ET)
Table 'Juewa V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Nazgul18 ($866 in chips)
Seat 2: Sauce123 ($1363 in chips)
Seat 3: debill ($582 in chips)
Seat 4: ipokeder ($1058.70 in chips)
Seat 5: TheSeraph ($806.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Bry23 ($599.40 in chips)
Bry23: posts small blind $3
Nazgul18: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [Tc Td]
Sauce123: raises $18 to $24
debill: folds
ipokeder: calls $24
TheSeraph: folds
Bry23: calls $21
Nazgul18: raises $186 to $210
Sauce123: raises $447 to $657
ipokeder: folds
Bry23: folds
Nazgul18: raises $209 to $866 and is all-in
Sauce123: calls $209
*** FLOP *** [2s As 3d]
*** TURN *** [2s As 3d] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [2s As 3d 6c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nazgul18: shows [Kc Kh] (a pair of Kings)
Sauce123: mucks hand
Nazgul18 collected $1777 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1780 | Rake $3
Board [2s As 3d 6c Js]
Seat 1: Nazgul18 (big blind) showed [Kc Kh] and won ($1777) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Sauce123 mucked [Tc Td]
Seat 3: debill folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ipokeder folded before Flop
Seat 5: TheSeraph (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bry23 (small blind) folded before Flop

[Pelion]

anybody like a preflop push?

That's the best move I think.

Is this a joke? Surely a push is horrible here. Maybe if you and tido are sat the other way around but I cant see how pushing for so much into such a small pot with 2 outs if called can possibly be a good play. Occasionally pushing Axs would be fun though...

[IowaSkinsFan]

it depends how much we think this guy is squeezing.

[Genitruc]

I'd lock up my pennybank pretty quick here.

The bet looks weak, but I don't think the times we get him to fold make up for our equity all the times we get called and are crushed.

This would be more fun to raise with something like KQ or QJ.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

anybody like a preflop push?

That's the best move I think.

Is this a joke? Surely a push is horrible here. Maybe if you and tido are sat the other way around but I cant see how pushing for so much into such a small pot with 2 outs if called can possibly be a good play. Occasionally pushing Axs would be fun though...

I was actually gonna say 4-bet pre (i think a decent sized 4-bet would probably be better than a push). I'm not sure why you think Axs would make it "fun" while with 88 it is "horrible." The reraiser probably has a wide range.

[dsaxton]

anybody like a preflop push?

That's the best move I think.

Is this type of stuff actually becoming standard? I'm seeing tons of retardedly spewy advice in these forums these days.

[Alexos]

If the guy is a light squeezer a 4bet looks fine. But wtf as played fold. I never bluff these boards with no outzz, you're crazy mofo. I think ppl like to bet weak to induce raises in spots like these.

[benny999]

anybody like a preflop push?

That's the best move I think.

Is this type of stuff actually becoming standard? I'm seeing tons of retardedly spewy advice in these forums these days.

squeezing used to not be such a common play though.