QQ 200NL postflop

[Da GOAT]

In an effort to improve im shorting sessions then posting some hands.

Opp is tight or quiet enough so far but only a few orbits in. Hows my line?? Im trying to become alot stronger postflop. If opp has been observant Ive been fairly tight at the table and no big moves.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($508.90)
Hero ($263.05)
SB ($222.80)
BB ($160)
UTG ($200)
MP ($239.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($50) 8, 9, 8 (2 players)
SB bets $26, Hero calls $26.

Turn: ($102) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22.

River: ($146) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???????

Final Pot: $146

[|~|ypermegachi]

damn...his range is pretty damn wide.
88+
AT+
KJ+

anyways, i think he was just trying to steal the pot preflop. the bet on the turn is uber-weak. i raise this turn btw.

anyways, value-bet around $50.

[Fnord]

Turn is interesting.
River is a pretty easy value bet of like $40-60ish.

Some weak prick with AA-KK wouldn't surprise me.

[sauce123]

i would always raise this flop and call a shove and expect to be looked up by any pair- but im a maniac....

as played raise turn

as played vbet 130 on river

[Da GOAT]

|~|ypermegachi,

if i felt his range was that wide PF then id probably of raised him on flop. Turn bet is very weak looking which put me off a little.

Fnord,

How interesting turn bet can be taken almost any meaning, strong/weak. but with the lack of reads we are at risk of making a costly error. ''Prick'?? lol this hand annoys you.

Sauce,

I doubt ive the image you would have at a table but even so there arent many hands that would call and we beat. BTW you would probably shove PF too lol.

i dont want to post results just yet.

[|~|ypermegachi]

Turn bet is very weak looking which put me off a little.

which is why i think a raise is in order.

if
a) they 3bet, you fold
b) they call, and river comes
b.i) they check, you check behind unless you spiked a Q
b.ii) they bet small, call
b.iii) they bet big, fold

dunno, call it a "feeler raise" if you will.

[Galapogos]

I think Fnord nailed it, some weakass with KK+ fearing the trips. But I bet he isn't folding.

[IowaSkinsFan]

you're winning here like 98% of the time so bet.

[sauce123]

Da Goat- You said: Sauce,

I doubt ive the image you would have at a table but even so there arent many hands that would call and we beat. BTW you would probably shove PF too lol.

i dont want to post results just yet.


Looking at Massimo's bluff post about 4bet shoving air on a rainbow flop and looking at Redgrape's response actually explains y my default play is to 3bet this flop:

baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
PokerStars GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)


Now I don't know if this is true at 200nl, but at 600nl for sure all of the regs are very familiar with the fact that a rainbow paired flop is a pissing contest and people are going to semibluff shove gutshots, overs and other shit if they sense weakness. Most of these players are also familiar with the YEti theorem. The obvious solution is to use this tendency and consequently overplay strong one pair hands like QQ on these type of boards by 3betting the flop and inducing a bluff shove where our opponent has 0-8 outs most of the time. So really more than specifically my image its a conscious adjustment I make to compensate for exploitably high bluffing frequencies on these type of flops.... Again, you have to know ur against a thinking player and they also have to know that you are a thinking player for this to be profitable/correct, but it comes up more often than you think and 3betting the flop in these situations (besides balancing ur bluffs) creates a ton of equity which most MSNL players miss. Does that make more sense? Sauce.

[Miffed22001]

pooooooooooooooosh.

[Da GOAT]

thx sauce it does make alot of sense. i dont realy have the experience to debate you on that one tho but ill be thinking about it on the tables for sure.

thx guys. learned alot again

Results.....................................

I checked, Opp had AA