A place for a big bluff?

[Numbr2intheWorld]

opponent runs 20/16 and seems pretty aggressive and generally and ok player. Last hand he caught me making a river bluff, but otherwise i've been playing solidly.

I'm thinking... Yeti Theorem

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($150.70)
SB ($292.60)
Hero ($420.25)
UTG ($212)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 8.
2 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($16) 3, K, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $110, Hero ???

[sauce123]

i like it... SHOVE!!!

[phantom_lord]

shove gogogogogogo!

[griffey24]

lol

do you guys really think he's going away in this hand?

Are you shoving BECAUSE he 3-bet you on the flop? If he flat called, I'd imagine you would be more afraid of the K?

[gabe]

without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through

[dsaxton]

No.

[mcatdog]

without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through

but what if his re-raise is going to get the OP to do this?

[sauce123]

rainbow paired flops: pissing contest

[Genitruc]

calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.

Also, if he bets into you on turn after you call the flop 3-bet then he has the goods (assuming he's a thinking player like you say). Imagine your line from his POV...

[Silly String]

Hated it. Move on!

[Rondavu]

What the hell are you thinking?

[gabe]

rainbow paired flops: pissing contest

word

[Ash256]

Yeti Theorem ftw?

[Alexos]

Isnt Yeti theorem something more like 225 or 227 rainbow or wtv...he could have a king here

[Numbr2intheWorld]

...he could have a king here

that doesn't mean he's not folding it to a flop shove

calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.

that's what i was thinking

[gabe]

why would he rerraise wit ha king

why would he call a push with a king

[IowaSkinsFan]

baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)

[IowaSkinsFan]

baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)

[Silly String]

Hell, at least you had outs.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Hell, at least you had outs.

not really, DUCY

[JJDAMAN]

Hell, at least you had outs.

not really, DUCY

negative. Explan please.

[gabe]

yea wtf is isf talking about

[IowaSkinsFan]

if he calls surely he has a boat no?
Well yeah i guess not but that was my reasoning at the time i made the DUCY post.

[gabe]

of course he can call with more than a boat

[|~|ypermegachi]

yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?

[Galapogos]

yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?

Yeti Theorem actually refers to the 3-bet on this board as being a bluff, not heros 4-bet. The idea is, if you actually had one of these hands you wouldn't blow your opponent out on the flop.

[IowaSkinsFan]

of course he can call with more than a boat

i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?

[JJDAMAN]

of course he can call with more than a boat

i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?

The baluga theorem is when villain flat calls your flop bet in position, then raises your turn lead.

[zenbitz]

why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Baluga is just a poster on 2p2 who made it up.

[|~|ypermegachi]

why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.

i believe it's "reevaluate" not necessarily fold. there was a thread that advocated calling down on certain flops more than others, i.e. if it's all high cards you should be inclined to call (i think that's how it went).

i've always thought of the Baluga Theorem to be plain common sense.

[zenbitz]

well I dunno this thread is first I heard of is so I googled "beluga theorem" actually getting two "definitions" (from random blogs/sites

1) a turn check-raise means your TP is no good
and
2) a turn raise after a flop call means one pair no good

Interestingly, the search had no twoplustwo resutls... I wonder if they block spiders?

[Irisheyes]

***** Hand History for Game 5977390837 *****
Fort_Knoxx has left the table.
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu May 17 13:51:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 125918 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: bliblablubb111 ( $200)
Seat 2: corrallie ( $460.92)
Seat 3: Hero ( $280.45)
Seat 4: Nurita72 ( $38.80)
Seat 6: cwchcl ( $228.80)
corrallie posts small blind (1)
Hero posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ J , A ]
Nurita72 folds.
corrallie raises (7) to 8
Hero calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Q , Q , 9 ]
corrallie bets (12)
Hero raises (34) to 34
corrallie raises (68) to 80
Hero raises (238.45) to 272.45
Hero is all-In.
corrallie folds.

[Da GOAT]

i love this thread