Wow -14 buyins ($2800) in 5000 hands (long)

[JL]

Okay here is a bunch of my biggest losses in the past 3 days (5000 hands)

I know I am running really bad because I have been runner-runnered 3 times in 3 days, which is not normal I dont think.

A lot of these are bad beats, so you can ignore those. I just posted almost every hand that lost me more than $60-70ish in the past 3 days.

I think maybe if I didn't spew as much as I did this wouldnt be so bad.

Comments??

(wow this is a lot of hands...I really don't expect anyone to go through all of these...I just need someone to tell me I suck so bad that I should go back to NL100 (with a $15k BR lol)...)


******* Hand 1 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $227.15
CO: $349.25
Button: $215.40
SB: $621.15
Hero: $201.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 5 5
2 folds, Button raises to $8, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8 5 Q ($17, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises to $20, Button raises all-in $205.4, Hero calls all-in $173.
Uncalled bets: $12.4 returned to Button.

Turn: A ($403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $403)


River: Q ($403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $403)


Results:
Final pot: $403
Button shows QC AS
Hero shows 5C 5S


******* Hand 2 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $225.40
CO: $555.80
Hero: $200.70
SB: $39.90
BB: $338.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A K
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: T A Q ($27, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 5 ($27, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $15, CO calls.

River: 7 ($57, 2 players)
CO bets $25, Hero raises to $75, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $207
Hero shows AS KS
CO shows 5H 5C


******* Hand 3 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $65.55
CO: $231.20
Button: $274.15
Hero: $196.00
BB: $115.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A Q
2 folds, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $29, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 9 5 4 ($60, 2 players)
Hero bets $42, Button raises all-in $244.15, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $202.15 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $144


******* Hand 4 ********

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $200.00
CO: $226.00
Button: $54.35
SB: $213.75
BB: $157.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 8 A
Hero raises to $8, CO raises to $20, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9 5 A ($43, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: 6 ($43, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero calls.

River: 4 ($83, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $123
CO shows AH KC
Hero shows 8S AD


******* Hand 5 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $523.45
CO: $569.95
Hero: $197.00
SB: $201.00
BB: $247.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T T
UTG folds, CO raises to $10, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6 T J ($23, 2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($63, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $40, CO raises all-in $539.95, Hero calls all-in $127.
Uncalled bets: $372.95 returned to CO.

River: K ($397, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $397)


Results:
Final pot: $397
CO shows QH JH
Hero shows 10H10S


******* Hand 6 ********

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $190.15
CO: $178.25
Button: $276.20
SB: $198.80
BB: $555.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with T A
Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8 A 9 ($17, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls.

Turn: J ($37, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $220, Hero calls all-in $112.15.
Uncalled bets: $47.85 returned to BB.

River: 5 ($381.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $381.3)


Results:
Final pot: $381.3
BB shows 10C 7C
Hero shows 10D AH


******* Hand 7 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $83.80
Hero: $218.40
Button: $298.65
SB: $220.00
BB: $58.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG raises all-in $81.8, Hero calls.

Flop: 8 A 5 ($166.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $166.6)


Turn: 3 ($166.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $166.6)


River: 2 ($166.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $166.6)


Results:
Final pot: $166.6
UTG shows AS JH
Hero shows 10C10S


******* Hand 8 ********

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $358.00
CO: $217.30
Button: $186.85
SB: $135.75
BB: $219.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $8, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7 6 8 ($19, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls.

Turn: T ($43, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero calls.

River: 4 ($63, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $25, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $113
Button shows 5S 6S
Hero shows JD JS


******* Hand 9 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $135.65
Hero: $422.70
Button: $203.85
SB: $1.371.55
BB: $390.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K K
UTG folds, Hero raises to $16, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 3 2 4 ($38, 2 players)
Hero bets $26, Button raises to $100, Hero raises to $226, Button calls all-in $87.85.
Uncalled bets: $38.15 returned to Hero.

Turn: Q ($413.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $413.7)


River: 4 ($413.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $413.7)


Results:
Final pot: $413.7
Hero shows KC KS
Button shows 3H 8H


******* Hand 10 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $138.95
CO: $203.70
Button: $116.80
SB: $104.35
BB: $232.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A A
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $9, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: Q 2 J ($27, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, SB folds, Herocalls.

Turn: T ($115, 2 players)
BB checks, CO is all-in $148.7, Hero calls.

River: 3 ($412.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $412.4)


Results:
Final pot: $412.4
CO shows 2H 2D
BB shows AS AC


******* Hand 11 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $265.90
CO: $559.75
Hero: $203.35
SB: $142.95
BB: $223.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T A
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $10, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8 A 4 ($24, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $22, SB calls.

Turn: 5 ($68, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $35, SB calls.

River: 6 ($138, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $138
SB shows 6H AH
Hero shows 10C AD


******* Hand 12 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $151.60
CO: $218.50
Button: $389.25
SB: $437.05
Hero: $179.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q 2
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 2 Q 7 ($7, 3 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls, Button raises to $12, Hero raises to $31, CO folds, Button raises all-in $375.25, Hero calls all-in $146.
Uncalled bets: $198.25 returned to Button.

Turn: 8 ($196, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $367)


River: A ($196, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $367)


Results:
Final pot: $196
Button shows 7H 7S
Hero shows QD 2C


******* Hand 13 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $279.15
Button: $314.00
UTG: $151.6
SB: $398.80
BB: $20.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with A A
UTG raises to $8, Hero raises to $32, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 5 2 3 ($67, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $50, UTG raises to $150, Hero raises all-in $232, UTG calls all-in $97.15.
Uncalled bets: $97.15 returned to UTG.

Turn: 3 ($449, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $531)


River: 6 ($449, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $531)


Results:
Final pot: $449
Hero shows AD AC
UTG shows 3H 3S


******* Hand 14 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $165.60
CO: $278.65
Hero: $185.60
SB: $199.75
BB: $66.95

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with K K
UTG raises to $7, CO folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, UTG raises to $67, Hero calls.

Flop: 2 T J ($137, 2 players)
UTG is all-in $98.6, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 ($334.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $334.2)


River: A ($334.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $334.2)


Results:
Final pot: $334.2
UTG shows AC AS
Hero shows KC KD


******* Hand 15 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $195.95
Hero: $191.10
Button: $247.60
SB: $201.00
BB: $254.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 8 9
UTG raises to $5, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q 5 T ($13, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG calls.

Turn: 7 ($29, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG calls.

River: K ($69, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $42, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: $153
Hero shows 8C 9C
UTG shows JD JC


******* Hand 16 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $107.95
Hero: $194.00
Button: $45.20
SB: $55.95
BB: $234.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG raises to $10, Hero raises to $30, 3 folds, UTG raises all-in $97.95, Hero calls.

Flop: 9 6 4 ($198.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $198.9)


Turn: 7 ($198.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $198.9)


River: 2 ($198.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $198.9)


Results:
Final pot: $198.9
UTG shows AD AS
Hero shows QC QH


******* Hand 17 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $412.45
Hero: $224.00
Button: $140.70
SB: $195.00
BB: $200.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, Button raises to $35, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T 5 6 ($73, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button is all-in $105.7, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 ($284.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $284.4)


River: 7 ($284.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $284.4)


Results:
Final pot: $284.4
Button shows KD KS
Hero shows JH JD


******* Hand 18 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $363.40
CO: $20.00
Button: $303.00
SB: $212.35
BB: $343.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J A
UTG folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $8, Button folds, SB calls.

Flop: A 5 J ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, BB bets $16, SB raises to $32, BB raises to $71, SB calls.

Turn: 9 ($160, 2 players)
SB bets $100, BB raises to $200, SB calls all-in $31.35.
Uncalled bets: $68.65 returned to BB.

River: 9 ($422.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $422.7)


Results:
Final pot: $422.7
BB shows JH AS
SB shows 9H AH


******* Hand 19 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $417.70
Button: $200.00
BB: $343.5
SB: $238.00
BB: $295.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) CO is CO with A A
UTG folds, Button raises to $8, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K Q J ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $30, Hero calls.

Turn: 6 ($78, 2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero calls.

River: 4 ($138, 2 players)
SB bets $50, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $238
SB shows 10C AC
Button shows AS AH


******* Hand 20 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $230.75
CO: $199.05
Hero: $200.00
SB: $197.95
BB: $515.35

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J T
UTG folds, CO raises to $7, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7 Q 2 ($17, 2 players)
CO bets $14, Hero calls.

Turn: K ($45, 2 players)
CO bets $14, Hero raises to $46, CO calls.

River: 8 ($137, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero is all-in $133, CO calls all-in $132.05.
Uncalled bets: $0.95 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $401.1
Hero shows JH10H
CO shows JD KC


******* Hand 21 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $194.60
CO: $199.00
Button: $305.40
SB: $625.75
Hero: $200.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K A
3 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $15, SB calls.

Flop: A 3 K ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, SB calls.

Turn: 8 ($90, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $64, SB raises to $128, Hero calls.

River: 8 ($346, 2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls all-in $25.

Results:
Final pot: $396
SB shows 3C 3D
Hero shows KH AC


******* Hand 22 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $249.55
CO: $321.15
Button: $804.75
Hero: $219.10
BB: $176.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, Hero raises to $7, BB calls.

Flop: 3 K 8 ($14, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, BB calls.

Turn: T ($34, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises all-in $138.6, Hero calls.

River: 3 ($311.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $311.2)


Results:
Final pot: $311.2
BB shows 10D KS
Hero shows AH KC


******* Hand 23 ********

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $342.00
CO: $203.75
Button: $96.20
SB: $200.10
BB: $386.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is CO with T T
UTG raises to $7, Hero raises to $24, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 4 3 5 ($51, 2 players)
UTG checks, HERO bets $36, UTG raises all-in $318,HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $282 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $123

[Fnord]

I thought 2, 4 and 12 were pretty badly misplayed.

Maybe a 3-4 others depending on reads.

[|~|ypermegachi]

wow...you have 15k and you're still playing 100NL. i guess you have a huge comfort zone...haha...

hand 2: bet this flop 100% of the time.
hand 3: looks fine.
hand 4: open-fold. fold to the raise. otherwise looks fine.
hand 5: 3bet preflop.
hand 6: i fold preflop. raise the flop. i think turn is spew.
hand 7: fold to the all in.
hand 8: bet turn.
hand 9: i don't know....flop seems like a spew.
hand 10: ugh, i don't like the call, but looks like we have to.
hand 11: nh.
hand 12: i don't like playing 2pair this fast.
hand 13: you need a read to call this flop.
hand 14: just put them all in preflop. again, i think we can only call with a good read.
hand 15: fold preflop. check behind the river. they called 2 big bets on a dry board.
hand 16: fold to all in without a read.
hand 17: fold flop. you're at best splitting. do you think AK does this?
hand 18: bad raise because it's a mediocre hand with bad position against too many opponents. rest looks fine.
hand 19: nh.
hand 20: fold preflop. river bet is overkill. it's insta-called by hands that beat you, and insta-folded hands that don't, which would have instafolded to a smaller bet.
hand 21: all in on turn.
hand 22: why check raise? anyways, it's almost baluga theorem here.
hand 23: nh

[Cocco_Bill]

Ok i dont know what reads you had on your opponents or if you were tilting at times, but it sure looks like you have some clear leaks in your game.

[griffey24]

Ok i dont know what reads you had on your opponents or if you were tilting at times, but it sure looks like you have some clear leaks in your game.

What kind of leaks? I'm sure pointing some out would help most people, and not just JL.

From what I can tell, you are very quick to bet and then 3-bet in a lot of spots, which often builds huge pots for yourself OOP.

You also seem to be easily stacking off in one pair hands, though it would help to know any reads in these spots.

Also, I think you are firing third barrels in pretty bad spots, where its clear you're gonna get called. I think you need to abandon some bluffs after the second barrel, if it gets called. Whats your image in these spots? If you're having bad sessions and losing (which it seems these are all a part of), its probably even MORE likely you're gonna get called, since you haven't been showing down winning hands.

[IowaSkinsFan]

all the hands i dont point out imo are standard.

Hand 2: bet flop, and then bet turn, as played call river
Hand 4: fold preflop, as played i play same.
Hand 5: raise flop, as played of course call
Hand 6: call turn. Seriously dont raise when the only hands folding you're already beating and your not even vunerable
Hand 7: fold river
Hand 9: this is fine because of combo draws just wanted to point that out.
Hand 12: fold to push, it's an unraised pot.
Hand 17: im in between folding pre and what u did.
Hand 18: raise way more pre other than that play the exact same
Hand 20: Raise more on the turn so we know for sure we should never push river.

[Galapogos]

Unless you have reads that weren't mentioned, a lot of the ones that aren't bad beats you seem to want to stack off too easily.

[JL]

Hand 4 is a misclick...but also villain is 58/35 uber donk, and I was tilting

Hand 7 Villain is a 45/5 fish...probably a fold yes.

Hand 9 is $2/$4 and villain is a complete donkey.

Hand 12 villain is 64/15...still fold?

wow...you have 15k and you're still playing 100NL. i guess you have a huge comfort zone...haha...

No, I am at 200NL...I was at 400NL until I dropped like 5 buyins, then dropped another 10 at $200NL...

But in the last two months I have been playing break-even poker at best...bonuses are the only reason I am not down.

Thanks for the replies guys...

I think I do have a lot of leaks in my game, and they are all post-flop because my stats are fine I think:



I could probabaly loosen up some by stealing more blinds. This is all 5-max.

But, my best months in the past have come from playing this style and table selecting as well as I can...I'm not sure what has changed in the past few months.

[Cocco_Bill]

That is actually very tight for 5max. I am a tight player myself, but I still had a VPIP of 24-25% when playing 5-max on Pokerroom compared to 19-20% when playing 6-max. The difference between 5-max and 6-max is quite big i would say.

Why do you raise the river in hand 2 and the turn in hand 6, think in terms of hand ranges, try it in Pokerstove.

[JL]

That is actually very tight for 5max. I am a tight player myself, but I still had a VPIP of 24-25% when playing 5-max on Pokerroom compared to 19-20% when playing 6-max. The difference between 5-max and 6-max is quite big i would say.

Why do you raise the river in hand 2 and the turn in hand 6, think in terms of hand ranges, try it in Pokerstove.

Well hand 2 his river bet is less than 1/2 pot which screamed blocking bet to me. I was hoping to get looked up by a weak Ace or something like QK because my hand was so underrepped.

Hand 6 is just horrible...I wasn't thinking straight on that hand.

[euphoricism]

Its late and I'm not sleepy, so heres my view

Ok i just realize a bunch of people just did the same thing im doing, but im gonna do it anyway and compare myself to them.


#2 Why no flop bet? Why river raise? Played differently on purpose or is this your standard? Mine is to bet flop, check through turn, call most rivers here.

#4 Meh? Fold preflop i guess? 5 max might be different but i think postflop is fine. Cant really ask for a cheaper showdown and I guess thats what you want against this opponent.

#5 I'm raising. You smoke AA/KK/QQ, but theres some random scare cards that can come thatll either kill your action or give him a hand. If you ran into JJ/KK, well, sucky.. Oh. Ha. Or that.

#6 I think this is ok, but you gotta know youre gambling. A bare A is almost never good here, but you have 8-10 outs and a good price.

#7 In the words of fnord, GAMB00000L. Wont hate on you for it. Its good to give the shorties action. Keeps them around, good for your image, and youre 50/50 a lot anyway.

#8 I bet more on the flop, my standard is 15. After that I think you played it fine, a little passive but whatreyagonnado, the board sucks.

#10 I think you want this in on the flop. Just shove. If hes got QQ/22/JJ, gg it happens to everyone and it balances itself out longterm. Youll pay the sets off here just as often as theyll pay you when you hit so i really think these are a wash, and not at all where the losses come from.

#12 I might, might, might, fold this if i had stats on villain and he was rock ass tight.. but unless hes like mega 12/7 kinda guy, w/e.

#13 See #10.

#14 just go preflop. KK into AA happens, if thats what happened. I think these wash long term as well.

#15 Wont fault you for this. I check the turn fairly often but I'm a pussy and thats probably incorrect to do. Im more likely to shove than to bet out, I think. Probably a big leak.

#17 i fold flop without a read, and you should probably fold preflop. I'm fairly certain this is a leak of mine.

#18 is farked up. Says your BB but doesnt use Hero. Anyway... If you are BB, I probably check preflop or bet it a bit harder. 4x wont do against a limper and a completer. 5x at the minimum, and i usually do 6 just because of position. And reraise the flop harder. 3x at least??

#19 Another farked up one. Guess youre button. I think its ok. I dont think raising the flop accomplishes much.

#20 I found myself doing this a LOT lately. especially the last two days. Its not a *bad* bluff, but man, ugh. I feel your pain. It just doesnt seem to work enough. I like your turn raise, but I think we gotta be giving up when called. He likes his hand, and he's not near-potting the flop, calling a potsized turn, and then folding a potsized river.

#21 aw come on, shove it over on the turn or just push it yourself.


#22 Blech, i dunno how I feel about this. I dont think a c/r is good here unless villain is floating a lot. But i dont hate it.



Warning: dont take my advice. I suck. I'm barely beating 100nl right now due to spewgasms.

so ... now to compare myself to those who dont suck.

[|~|ypermegachi]

#15 Wont fault you for this. I check the turn fairly often but I'm a pussy and thats probably incorrect to do. Im more likely to shove than to bet out, I think. Probably a big leak.

this was one of the 1st leaks i plugged in my game. in limit, you never bluffed at low stakes because they would call you down anyways, so you just keep value betting to death. you'd expect that by betting full pot, it would deter opponents from calling you down. WRONG. at low-small NL stakes, they will still call your ass down. even the so-called "nits" with 15/11 stats still play horribly loose post-flop.

[Pelion]

1) Standard
2)Bad. Usually bet the flop. If you dont bet the flop then dont raise river. The best hand you beat is AJ. Without any reads its hard to say if its in his range but most people wont have it here and even more people wont call a raise with it.
3)Pretty standard.
4)Wtf are you calling preflop for? Does he reraise A7? As played you probably have to call down the turn and river,
5)Standard although I might raise that flop. Depends what big bets usually mean from this guy.
6)Is pretty bad. Youre obviously behind and even if we assume all your straight cards and 2pair/trips cards are clean outs (unlikely) you need 3.5:1 to call. As it is you are getting about 2:1 so its an easy fold.
7)Is meh against a reasonable shortie. Easy call Vs 25bbs, Pretty easy fold Vs 50bbs. Somewhere in between is somewhere in between. It all depends on what you know about him and how much you want to gambool.
8)I think I have to call down because hes betting so small. Maybe fold the river but once again it depends what you know about him.
9)Good. He has a weaker overpair, An ace with something or a flush draw easily often enough here. It might be better to call and push any turn though but that depends how loose you think he is and how many overcards you think might scare him. He looks pretty committed at this point.
10)A flush is unlikely since you have the A and a flush draw (especially a non nut one) probably doesnt minraise that flop. But there are lots of 2 pairs and an unlikely straight and possibly a set of JJ or 22. BUT you also have alot of outs if you call so its probably quite close. Youve probably got about ~35% equity and that exactly what you need so If hes slightly loose its probably a call and if hes quite tight (i.e. he probably doesnt have 2 pair) its a fold.
11)Nh. I dont think theres much value in betting this river.
12)Noooo. 2 Pair is not as strong against most peoples going crazy range as it used to be. When he pushes its a rediculously easy fold. Even if we restrict him to just 2 pairs Q7 is way more likely than 72. He could also have a set (most likely hand imo) and he virtually never has a draw. I suppose you might see a beautifully played AA once every few months but thats about all you beat.
13) Fine. He just about had set odds preflop but the number of times hell stack off with a worse PP more than makes up for that imo.
14)standard
15)That rivers more likely to have helped him than scared him so I probably just check behind. I dont usually 3 barrel boards with lots of high cards on.
16) standard
17) Given stack sizes and his reraise size I think you should fold preflop to most players. As played its not a great flop for you. Almost every reraising PP beats you. TT,QQ,KK,AA. But you cant really call preflop and then fold an overpair with this little behind.
18)nh. 55 is the only hand youre scared of. Having said that I might slow down on the flop after he minraises, not because I think hes ahead, but because I think he'll fold a weaker A alot to the 3 bet. The flush will probably kill our action though and may kill our hand so I dont mind how you played it.
19) I understand the preflop action. You dont seem to be involved in the had until the flop. I might make a weak fold in a small pot on the flop since there are so many 2 pair hands out there, but if you call the flop then you have to call the turn and river for those bet sizes.
20) The problem with this bluff is that noone is folding KQ, and most players will call with AK after hitting on the turn. You should fold out KJ most of the time and AQ pretty much always but I dont know how often he has them here after betting weak on the turn and then calling anyway. Whether or not these bluffs are a good idea pretty much entirely comes down to who youre against and you havnt posted any reads.
21)Fine but why the full pot flop bet on a drawless board? You probably arent getting away from this anyway but full pot probably wins the least from worse aces. Also stick the extra 25 in on the turn.
22) This hand looks like you had a read based reason for attempting a checkraise on the turn. I just bet out the turn and go from there.
23) looks about right.

[Pelion]

#6 I think this is ok, but you gotta know youre gambling. A bare A is almost never good here, but you have 8-10 outs and a good price.

Were getting a terrible price. Asumming we have the straight,2 pair and trips thats 13 outs. 13 outs with 1 card to come is 27% equity so were 3.6:1 against winning.

We are only getting about 1.9:1 pot odds + reverse implied odds plus some of our outs probably arent even outs some of the time.

Thats a pretty horrible call.

[Cocco_Bill]

Pelion, in hand 6 he is calling 112 to win $381 pot...

[IowaSkinsFan]

yeah as played no way i fold 6 to a raise.

And i dont get your analysis pelion, you can't have reverse implied on an all in???

[Pelion]

Yea sorry forget the reverse implied odds part. That was an afterthought after I forgot we were allin.

OK i messed the maths up a little because I misread the hand and put the effective river action (due to stack sizes) as:

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $112, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

Which is obviously wrong.

But it should still be

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $172.15, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

So the call is still $112.15 to win the total pot at this point of $269.15 which is only 2.4:1 and still a clear fold.

You dont count the odds as 381:112 because you dont "win" 381 when you call. You make only win the extra $269.15

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yea sorry forget the reverse implied odds part. That was an afterthought after I forgot we were allin.

OK i messed the maths up a little because I misread the hand and put the effective river action (due to stack sizes) as:

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $112, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

Which is obviously wrong.

But it should still be

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $172.15, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

So the call is still $112.15 to win the total pot at this point of $269.15 which is only 2.4:1 and still a clear fold.

You dont count the odds as 381:112 because you dont "win" 381 when you call. You make only win the extra $269.15

once the 112 is in the pot it's no longer yours so yes u do win the 112, just like you lose it.

[Pelion]

Thats not how you work out pot odds. If I bet you $1 to toss a head and you bet me $1 to toss a tail then the pot before my bet goes into it is $1 and Ive "called" $1. In other words im calling $1 to win $1

The pot odds we had were 1:1 and the odds of winning are 1:1 so its breakeven.

If you count the call aswell then the pot odds are 2:1 and the odds of winning are 1:1 so I make money forever and ever??

[griffey24]

Yea sorry forget the reverse implied odds part. That was an afterthought after I forgot we were allin.

OK i messed the maths up a little because I misread the hand and put the effective river action (due to stack sizes) as:

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $112, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

Which is obviously wrong.

But it should still be

Pot:$37
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $172.15, Hero calls all-in $112.15.

So the call is still $112.15 to win the total pot at this point of $269.15 which is only 2.4:1 and still a clear fold.

You dont count the odds as 381:112 because you dont "win" 381 when you call. You make only win the extra $269.15

once the 112 is in the pot it's no longer yours so yes u do win the 112, just like you lose it.

I'm pretty sure pelion's latest calculation is right. There is $269.15 in the pot, and hero is faced with a $112.15 call, so the pot odds on the call is 2.4:1

The $112 isn't in the pot yet, hero is faced with making that call, and pelion is saying we don't have the odds to make it.

Getting 2.4:1, we need to win 30% of the time, or in this case 15 clean outs. I don't think we have that many outs. I'd be surprised if our two pair, trips outs are even good in this spot. I'd imagine 8 outs at best.

[IowaSkinsFan]

yeah it is i read it over in 5 seconds so for some reason i thought it was wrong. sorry!

[pokerroomace]

hand 1 is a bad beat.
hands 2, 3 and 4 are all played badly. cba to read the rest and don't have the time

[larsmars]

Just read through the HHs briefly:

5. Flop seems like an obvious raise.
6. I don't get the turn raise.
12. You put him on 72?

Some of the other plays were borderline and hard to say without reads, some were just desperately unlucky of course.

And this is good advice:

Hand 20: Raise more on the turn so we know for sure we should never push river.

[griffey24]

hand 1 is a bad beat.
hands 2, 3 and 4 are all played badly. cba to read the rest and don't have the time

Whats wrong with hand 3? I think this play is fine, he just got unlucky and button happened to have a hand in this spot. This obviously depends on how often the button has been stealing your blinds.

As for hand 20, I agree with previous posts, in raising more on the turn. As played, if villain is gonna stack off with KJ to _that_ much heat, then I just make a note on villain, and gladly have him on my table from then on.