2 hands from tonight.

[|~|ypermegachi]

villain is pretty loose passive preflop and postflop.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $88.40
CO: $87
Hero: $96.65
SB: $218.52
BB: $92.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T J
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: T 7 5 ($2.5, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: 4 ($7.5, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $7.5, BB folds, CO raises to $21,Hero calls.

River: 6 ($28.5, 2 players)
CO bets $53, Hero thinks for a long time and calls.

Results:
Final pot: $81.5

villain is tight passive preflop, aggressive postflop.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $106.35
Button: $34.80
Hero: $159.65
BB: $92.60

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG calls, Hero raises to $6, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: T 7 A ($13.5, 3 players)
Hero bets $10.5, UTG calls.

Turn: J ($34.5, 3 players)
Hero bets $17.5, UTG calls.

River: 7 ($69.5, 3 players)
Hero bets $30 (intending to fold to a raise)

Results:
Final pot: $129.5

[Galapogos]

Hand #1: You say he's passive yet when he shows aggression you nearly call off your stack with TPMK? Why do you think you're good here? Also, I think the convertor fucked up on you, he bets $53 on the river but started with $47.80.

Hand #2: What do you put him on? You have to have a good read to continue after the flop. Looks like spew to me.

[snowbird4life]

First of all, maybe im missing something here, but in hand 1 isn't CO's stack size $47 and somehow he is betting over $77 in this hand? I think you meant he bets all in for $23 on the river... right?

1 is confusing, What is he check raising with on the turn? Im not too sure about the turn but if you call, i cant see how you are ahead on the river. The only thing you are beating is a total bluff, and if his stack size somehow allows him to bet $53, then i cant see calling. If that $53 is a typo, and it should be $23, i still dont see what you are beating.

I think this is one of those things where, there is not a ton of money in the pot, and it was an unraised pot preflop, so i would try not to spew too much money here. My guess is he shows down 75

2 looks fine and seems ok to me. my guess is he calls and shows down Ace-rag

EDIT:

With the new hh, i think this is a definite fold on the river. What are you beating? only a total bluff really. and he raised you on the turn, is he just feeling frisky? I think you have to fold on the river. Upon looking at the new hh i think i fold on the turn, if you really think he has nothing, why not raise there so he doesn't jam the river and leave you with a tough decision? Anyway, most of the other above advice stays about the same for me i think.

[|~|ypermegachi]

hand 1: fixed hh. what hand would a loose passive play like that? why would a set shove that river?

hand 2: i put him on the flush draw, maybe ace. i was about 50/50 sure that i could fold his ace if he had one. he was 24/3 over a small sample, but postflop AF was 2.

[Galapogos]

hand 1: fixed hh. what hand would a loose passive play like that? why would a set shove that river?

Yeah I see what you're thinking but the more important question is why would a loose/passive start going nuts? I don't think he's doing that with A high, which is about all you beat.

[Fnord]

I like the casual disreguard for money, it's a step in the right direction.

Hand 1: Calling the raise is spew.
Hand 2: I see what you think he has, but meh I would just check/fold the turn if I bet that flop.

[Da GOAT]

I like the casual disreguard for money, it's a step in the right direction.

Love the expresssion and it suits those hands perfectly. i literally said OMG out loud on the office floor when you call river overbet in hand 1.

Hand1

raise PF
bet flop is fine
im checking turn here

BTW you say he is passive player so why are you playing against him when he turns aggro??? esp with TP

Hand 2

turn bet is spew i think therefore river is horrible

BTW i play on Prima too. whats your SN??

[|~|ypermegachi]

i literally said OMG out loud on the office floor when you call river overbet in hand 1.

i LOLed out loud at my office reading this comment...hahaha

BTW you say he is passive player so why are you playing against him when he turns aggro??? esp with TP

i just don't see what hand he could possibly have that would take that line except total air. i agree, calling the turn raise pretty spew, but the river overbet actually made more MORE likely to call. if he bet 30-50% of the pot i would have insta-folded.

BTW i play on Prima too. whats your SN??

let's just say it'll be pretty obvious when you see me.

[Da GOAT]

well when a passive player suddenly becomes very aggro im usually stepping outta way

[pgil]

in hand 2, if you are willing to put about $30 into the pot on the river against a possible missed flush draw, then why not check/call a medium sized river bet? I would say that the 7 pairing the board makes him less likely to fold a weak A, since his kicker should no longer be a problem, although I don't know that a tight/passive player is playing a weak A from UTG.

[Galapogos]

Hyper I fogrgot to ask, why do you think a set is not betting like this on the river? That's the kind of hands these guys wait for and when they get it they want stacks, no matter how oddly aggressive their line has to be.

[|~|ypermegachi]

Hyper I fogrgot to ask, why do you think a set is not betting like this on the river? That's the kind of hands these guys wait for and when they get it they want stacks, no matter how oddly aggressive their line has to be.

pushing the river with 4 to a straight is an incredibly stupid way to get value from a set.

[Galapogos]

Hyper I fogrgot to ask, why do you think a set is not betting like this on the river? That's the kind of hands these guys wait for and when they get it they want stacks, no matter how oddly aggressive their line has to be.

pushing the river with 4 to a straight is an incredibly stupid way to get value from a set.

Level 1 my friend, guys like this are only on level 1. Also, I really don't see how an 8 finds itself to the river inless it was a chase happy 89 or involved in a club draw. Both unlikely given the action.

[Fnord]

Hyper I fogrgot to ask, why do you think a set is not betting like this on the river? That's the kind of hands these guys wait for and when they get it they want stacks, no matter how oddly aggressive their line has to be.

pushing the river with 4 to a straight is an incredibly stupid way to get value from a set.

LoL, had a guy dump $50 into a $10 pot a couple nights ago when he rivered his set (6s), I just called him with my turned Wheel.

[IowaSkinsFan]

ISF's rules of low stakes #1: Never put anyone on a bluff if they'd have to be bluffing a made hand.

[|~|ypermegachi]

pushing the river with 4 to a straight is an incredibly stupid way to get value from a set.

Level 1 my friend, guys like this are only on level 1. Also, I really don't see how an 8 finds itself to the river inless it was a chase happy 89 or involved in a club draw. Both unlikely given the action.

right. so he's got the straight here like 1% of the time.

[bigspenda73]

ISF's rules of low stakes #1: Never put anyone on a bluff if they'd have to be bluffing a made hand.

As in opponents at this level don't understand that a betting a set on a 4-straight board means they're turning their hand into a bluff?

Could you elaborate please.

[|~|ypermegachi]

lol, i don't know where i'm goin with this.

it's more of a brag post really, because it's the first time where i stopped and thought about the hand from beginning to end, and used a read to make a bizarre play. after he pushed that river, i just could not see what hand he could possibly have that would play that way besides air.

villain flipped over A7, no clubs.

hand 2 villain had A3. but yeah, check/folding the turn is probably optimal.

[Ash256]

Hand 1: WTF? I think he has a set or 68, straight up.

Hand 2: I prolly fold to the turn raise, you don't beat anything.

[Galapogos]

Hand 2: I prolly fold to the turn raise

So open fold the river?

[snowbird4life]

my guess is he calls and shows down Ace-rag

hand 2 villain had A3.

yessss im pro at reading donkeys and their ace rags