AKs postflop 3-bet pot

[JeffreyGB]

The guy to my left was making a lot of 3-bets to my positional raises. I'm sure he has a wide range - enough so that a 4-bet is reasonable. SB, however, is our standard Tag-Nit. I have a hard time giving him a wider range preflop than TT+/AK. Thoughts?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($229.80)
Hero ($197)
MP ($200)
Button ($403.40)
SB ($234.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises to $7, MP raises to $24, 1 fold, SB calls $23, 1 fold, Hero calls $17.

Flop: ($74) Q, 8, J (3 players)
SB bets $42, Hero raises to $173 (All-In), MP folds, SB calls $131.

Turn: ($417) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($417) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $417

[I Like Pie]

Looks good to me.
I would be worried about QQ or JJ (that's what I guess he ended up having) but probably end up shoving anyways.

[bigspenda73]

there's another way to play this?

I guess you could 4bet PF.

Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 11 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.

[JeffreyGB]

there's another way to play this?

I guess you could 4bet PF.

Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I definetely don't fold pre, I see a lot of merits in fourbetting, but calling seems fine/better also.

Flop is standard.

[Da GOAT]

flop is standard IMO.

Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.

[bigspenda73]

there's another way to play this?

I guess you could 4bet PF.

Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.

Qc not clean

[Galapogos]

there's another way to play this?

I guess you could 4bet PF.

Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.

Qc not clean

How many cards are there of each suit Spenda?

[bigspenda73]

8 clean clubs 3 T's that aren't clubs.

[JeffreyGB]

flop is standard IMO.

Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.

One of my thoughts with the hand was that 4-betting pre could have been better. I'm still not sure though - I can get paid off when I hit here pretty easily (check-raise), and get away much cheaper when I don't. Further, a total nit called the 3-bet from the SB. There's no way he has a weak hand here. I might get folds from some of the hands I'm flipping (and I suppose you could argue that he usually reraises the hands that dominate me), but I think he usually comes along either way.

The other half of the question was if we like the shove figuring that he will almost always have at least KK/AK, and as often as not have a set. We're just under 35% with no real FE if he has a set, and even money if he has KK/AA. We're almost a 70% favorite against another AK. Do we want to get it in when we only have FE against the hand we have solidly beat? I think it's actually pretty close.

[JeffreyGB]

Qc not clean

Quite true. My bad.

[Lukie]

i think shoving pre is slightly better given the dynamics you described; flop is hard to screw up with your megadraw.

[Da GOAT]

flop is standard IMO.

Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.

One of my thoughts with the hand was that 4-betting pre could have been better. I'm still not sure though - I can get paid off when I hit here pretty easily (check-raise), and get away much cheaper when I don't. Further, a total nit called the 3-bet from the SB. There's no way he has a weak hand here. I might get folds from some of the hands I'm flipping (and I suppose you could argue that he usually reraises the hands that dominate me), but I think he usually comes along either way.

I think you under-estimating the amount of FE you have over the SB, he more than likely holds JJ+,AK but unlikely holds KK or AA. even if he calls your shove you arent in bad shape.

Paid off when you hit?? Maybe i guess though you have taken the flop vs 2 opp's so id say when you get action on your c/r you are probably going to be behind.

The other half of the question was if we like the shove figuring that he will almost always have at least KK/AK, and as often as not have a set. We're just under 35% with no real FE if he has a set, and even money if he has KK/AA. We're almost a 70% favorite against another AK. Do we want to get it in when we only have FE against the hand we have solidly beat? I think it's actually pretty close.

your talking about on the flop now ,right? i see what your saying but i couldnt fold flop here like ever. id always shove flop here, GAMBOL!!

[Galapogos]

8 clean clubs 3 T's that aren't clubs.

Goddamn I am so bad