check/shove always?

[|~|ypermegachi]

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CO ($166.06)
Button ($210)
SB ($249.25)
Hero ($532.50)
UTG ($273.96)
MP ($148.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 5.
2 folds, CO raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($18) Q, 8, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $16, SB folds, Hero ...

[Fnord]

Money is too deep. I would just call here unless he's terrible.

Against a tourist in a live game, I'd make it $50 and shove any turn card expecting a loose call on the flop and a tight fold on the turn.

[|~|ypermegachi]

Money is too deep. I would just call here unless he's terrible.

Against a tourist in a live game, I'd make it $50 and shove any turn card expecting a loose call on the flop and a tight fold on the turn.

i actually folded like a little pansy...

but then i thought...what does he have? i stoved it afterwards...

vs 99+ we have 42% equity
vs 99+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+ we are 43%
vs QQ,88,22 we're 25%

it almost seems like shoving would be a very high variance play which is very slimly +EV...

[Fnord]

Folding here is terrible.

If he's going to call a re-raise with any two, then fold a lot of hands on the turn, that's the play. Given that it's online, c/r for balance sounds good, but puts us in a really shitting turn spot if called. c/c is reasonable.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wow you reverse fished that one, seriously how does anyone fold a flush draw teach me.

Oh btw i call.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i raise here... a shove seems excessive though.

[|~|ypermegachi]

seriously how does anyone fold a flush draw teach me.

oh, just play with scared money

[griffey24]

i actually folded like a little pansy...

I don't get it.. you folded to just the flop bet?...

c/r here is good.. but at the very least call!

[bigspenda73]

I don't like a c/r and I don't like a lead.

I c/c and lead turns where I hit and perhaps c/r the right turn card that missed my hand as well.

[Jack Sawyer]

Wow you reverse fished that one, seriously how does anyone fold a flush draw teach me.

Oh btw i raise to at least $49,99.

fyp

[bode]

folding here is disgusting. flat call, but a c/r is sexy sometimes.

[benny999]

i raise for sure on this board, like 50-60.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Why is leading here bad? I'm trying to get better with my nut flush draw hands and am very curious.

[Deanglow]

I lead the flop and push over a raise expecting a fold most of the time. Playing OOP with a FD is not fun.

[silu73]

Calling sounds good but c/raising is better. Folding is just aargh.

[|~|ypermegachi]

yeah yeah...enough with the folding!! i know it was teh crappy!

[benny999]

Why is leading here bad? I'm trying to get better with my nut flush draw hands and am very curious.

leading is good, but with relative position i tend to check any hand...it's fun if it goes bet, call, raizzzz.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Why is leading here bad? I'm trying to get better with my nut flush draw hands and am very curious.

leading is good, but with relative position i tend to check any hand...it's fun if it goes bet, call, raizzzz.

So you're content to c/r here? Why would you raise here if everybodys advocating to call HU? I also thought it was HU on the flop, is leading better if it's HU to the flop?

[benny999]

i don't understand - only a few are saying call and i didn't see anything about being HU.

if it was HU i still prob c/r but think it matters less between that and leading and calling.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

I was thinking bet/3bet not bet/call. Thoughts?

i don't understand - only a few are saying call and i didn't see anything about being HU.

Maybe I just saw a few people say call and they said it a couple times. I thought it was heads up, just my bad.

Thanks and sorry for slightly hijacking here.

[Chopper]

i'm confused as to why, Hyper, you are saying you "play with scared money," yet want to shove $160+ into a $20 pot?

and, why you are sitting so deep when scared? why didnt you leave the table when 150-200 bb's deep?

[|~|ypermegachi]

i just moved up, so i'm still not entirely comfortable "gambling," but after i folded i thought wtf, i would never do that at 100, and then realized what a good opportunity to check raise it woulda been. then i just took it one step further, that pushing 100bb we're pretty much breaking even, which makes raising probably the most +EV play.

[Ash256]

b/3b AI seems really sexy, but it puts us in such a shitty spot if he calls our flop lead and the turn blanks... eurgh

[Ravageur]

This seems like a pretty standard c/raise to 50/call shove or bet/3-bet or if called on flop pot turn/call shove hand (guy has less than 100 bbs right? Get iT IN)

This is a pretty failproof/oversimplified way to play big hands oop but it's difficult to adjust against.

I don't like check/calling because i don't like checkraising the turn all in with a lot less fold equity than on the flop (what made hand can we have in this spot from villain's perspective - especially if we have a TAG image like hyper?) and checkfolding the turn is very very silly especially if we turn a gutshot or something cute. Also if we make the nuts we don't always get paid off.

[|~|ypermegachi]

(what made hand can we have in this spot from villain's perspective - especially if we have a TAG image like hyper?)

my image is a 16/14 nit...this is way tighter than i'd like to be, and hopefully as i get more desensitized i'll loosen back to the 21/16 i used to be.

[djzcko]

Lead is good. Fold is bad. Fold is terrible actually. C/R is cool. C/C you might as well play with your cards face up. Bottom line is you gotta mix it up--you can't lead or C/R every time you have a made hand. With a lead, you can better define villains hand. If you C/C you are telling him you have a flush draw. C/R puts some doubt into villains mind about the strength of your hand.