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  1. 11-09-2007 02:43 PM #1
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    Default What the eff?

    Villain is 30/20/4 after 60 hands. Sadly i haven't seen any of his hands.

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    BB ($194)
    UTG ($209)
    Hero ($199)
    Button ($440.35)
    SB ($259.15)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $6, 2 folds.

    Flop: ($15) 6, 8, 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

    Turn: ($35) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $24, Button calls $24.

    River: ($83) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $400.35 (All-In), Hero ??????????????????

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  2. 11-09-2007 02:52 PM #2
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    why are you raising this anyway pf? Iwould probably check/fold the turn. What is your reasoning for second barreling here? as played the river is an easy fold, he probably has the nuts here ( 9hQh?). I dont think 30/20 risk a whole stack on a river in a " small" pot
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  3. 11-09-2007 03:24 PM #3
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    are you really thinking about calling this?
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  4. 11-09-2007 03:29 PM #4
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  5. 11-09-2007 04:33 PM #5
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    Well I do think it does look very fishy,

    1)A flopped straight or set would usually let you know by at least doing something by the turn and if it was one of these why not make a reasonable value bet instead of shoving river 2x pot whenyou've clearly showed weakness? That line doesnt make any sense...

    2) I also dont see any drawing hands that are calling flop & or turn
    - a big stretch for Q9h - & if it is why shove river?

    3)TT is also unlikely as he's aggressive enough to 3bet pre or raise it on that flop

    It just looks incredibly bluffy but I still couldn't call with A8
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  6. 11-09-2007 04:38 PM #6
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    Oh yeah, 3bet pre, duhh..

    I don't think he'd raise flop with it though, it's a nice spot to call down.

    I think this is definitely a fold, you could easily have an overpair.
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  7. 11-09-2007 04:56 PM #7
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  8. 11-09-2007 05:10 PM #8
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    gabe betting seems too thin here, hate to say it.
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  9. 11-09-2007 05:12 PM #9
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    yeah like Kate Moss thin
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  10. 11-09-2007 05:34 PM #10
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    ok since you guys disagree, put him on range

    i say its something like 22 33 44 77 87 type stuff and 88 TT, sometimes flopped straight and sometimes a7
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    cmon guys, we are betting AT and AJ and 99 on this river so we bet a8
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  12. 11-09-2007 06:08 PM #12
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    as played i think it s an ez fold

    betting a missed draw here is oh so transparent on his part

    maybe that s one level too deep though
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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  13. 11-09-2007 06:16 PM #13
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    Yeah betting doesn't seem too thin here i agree with gabe. Although sometimes he's going to show up with better, but that's the definition of thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
    are you really thinking about calling this?
    Overshoving the river shows tremendous strength imo. I just don't see how he has that strength, besides Q9 and 97, maybe 74.
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    I mean if opp was me and you decided to call you'd be right to do so.
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  17. 11-09-2007 11:39 PM #17
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    I would easily bet this river for value. As played, call and lose to T7o.
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  18. 11-10-2007 01:32 AM #18
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    c/r turn all in!
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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  19. 11-10-2007 01:33 AM #19
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    fuck thats too thin for 6max... prob check/call turn

    as played lol fold river
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  20. 11-10-2007 02:14 AM #20
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    no suace you crazy

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