Fun Board, Fun Action : Bottom Set 200bb's deep

[Genitruc]

Villain hasn’t done anything strange (besides always opening to 9$ pre) and my image is good. He’s running standard (21/16/4).

All street comments appreciated.

Preflop I mix it up but in this spot I didn’t mind BB coming along cuz he was terrible and I’m hoping to see a flop before bloating the pot 200bb’s deep.

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 08, 17:22:13 ET 2007
Table Jackpot #1305426 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: Nazca75 ( $169.67 USD )
Seat 6: halspastille ( $374.27 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $410 USD )
Seat 1: FlopFertik ( $185 USD )
Seat 5: Hangry_Duck ( $200 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1 USD].
Nazca75 posts big blind [$2 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
Hangry_Duck folds.
halspastille raises [$9 USD]
FlopFertik folds.
HERO calls [$8 USD]
Nazca75 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** (20$)

HERO bets [$17 USD]
halspastille raises [$53 USD]
HERO calls [$36 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** (125$)

HERO checks.
halspastille bets [$88 USD]
HERO...

edit : if this is a standard CRAI sorry in adance, but I'm pretty unsure so whatever.

[IowaSkinsFan]

bleh hmmmm, i guess i like it, threebet bet the turn also is fine, im really not sure which one i like better, probably this line is better.

[Genitruc]

ya sry ISF I just edited out my turn action cuz I think it's very marginal

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i think i just 3-bet the flop and get it in

[EzDuzIt]

i think i just 3-bet the flop and get it in

[griffey24]

Why do you guys wanna get it in here 200bb's deep? This is a horrible board, and I can't see KK/AA/AQ willing to stack off here so deep on this board?

I don't mind playing this hand slow c/c turn and lead river. I don't think many worse hands are gonna stack off here 200bb's.... though this obviously depends on villain and your image.

[Renton]

what about leading the turn and folding to a shove, like 78-82?

[Renton]

folding

ban

[Genitruc]

renton I'm not sure if you're mocking yourself or what but I lol'd

[sauce123]

c/c turn c/c river unimproved and its not close

[Genitruc]

folks what lines would you take with :

-JJ/QQ (maybe they should each have their own lines)

-89 (no hearts)

-AK

edit : I guess what I'm questioning is the relative strength of these monsters since 89's absolute hand value is so much greater than QQ-TT but it's equity when all the money gets in on flop or turn seems so much worse than say QQ... Leading me to think that maybe it's a lot better to play QQ super fast here on the flop than TT... Also I'm unsure what a smart line with 89 is here since it seems like a similar hand to TT here

[silu73]

Check/calling turn after leading flop. Check/Call river as well. I hate this board and I do take into consideration that we are 200bb deep.

With QQ I would c/raise the turn small and hope to fill up on the river. River perhaps c/call depending on card. With 89 same as TT and with AK I c/raise the turn big.

[Renton]

c/c turn c/c river unimproved and its not close

what is so not close about it?

It would seem like the best play for value would be to checkshove turn or lead/call turn, because i imagine that anything marginal/good is checking behind the river. Maybe c/c turn and c/f river?

All im saying is that on most rivers if we check and he shoves after this action, im not sure what his range to do that is, and if we getting the right price to call it.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Whoever made the point that opp is pretty much not stacking off with worse is making a pretty good point.