Live hand 2 of 2 from tonight

[Fnord]

Same game, $300 NL, $3/$5 blinds

UTG (just under $400) raises to $10, he's been making over-sized pre-flop raises with any pair or broadways and getting no action.
2 callers
I (about $350) just call with
folded to blinds who call.

$60 in the pot. 6 to the flop.
:Qs: :Ts:

UTG bets $45 (he's probably got a pretty good piece, but still could be bluffing)
Donator (under $300 or so) calls (this could be as little as a ten or even a seven, and he's unlikley to raise a draw)
What's my plan?

[IowaSkinsFan]

ewwwwwww

I probably just muck as sorry as it sounds.

[Fnord]

This isn't online poker!

[daven]

top pair, 2nd kicker in a 6-way pot? I fold

[Fnord]

top pair, 2nd kicker in a 6-way pot? I fold

Both of these guys are action players, exactly what are we waiting for? Folding would be really silly, then again I've been giving too much action online.

edit: Should I have just re-raised this pre-flop?

[nutsinho]

i would make it 155 and call a shove from either of those guys but fold to a cold shove from a reasonable player behind me.

[Deanglow]

i would make it 155 and call a shove from either of those guys but fold to a cold shove from a reasonable player behind me.

This makes sense. Have any of the other guys posting advice even played a live hand? I would raise/call here. Raise>>call>>>>>>fold

[Fnord]

Fnord mans up and puts 2 stacks of $5 chips into the pot.
Bullet folds to UTG.
UTG tanks.... hard....then makes a crying shove.
Donator takes the hint that his whatever is no good.
I pray it's not AQ and make the crying call.

Results later.

How did I do?

[wufwugy]

Robot not understand live.

[Fnord]

Robot not understand live.

Wider ranges, more loose/passive play, weak play when the real money hits the table, much more information to work with, more mistake equity.

That said, against tighter opponents I think the flop is a tight fold. However, I don't take calls from total donators that seriously and the PFR's hand is a bit discounted as well.

[wufwugy]

Raise? UTG has a wide range and could still be bluffing, get it in vs donator while he thinks he has odds to call.

Are you getting real good odds to call the shove or do you think UTG is gonna bluff his stack here? In a passive game this is a fold, but in a poorly played game it's more of a call. I'm lost without my HUD lol.

[Fnord]

UTG was in sheer agony when I put in the raise. I think the strongest possible hand he could have is AQ or maybe KK. His range has a lot of draws or even a worse Queen.

[wufwugy]

He has a draw too often to fold then. Like maybe even 98o.

[thizzSantaCruz]

i like how you played it.

[Fnord]

He had

I won the coin flip.

[Deanglow]

well played, standard

[Fnord]

I think calling this flop has some merit, particularly live.

I went with the raise because I wasn't sure how to read a turn bet from the PFR and the sucker both puts dead money into this pot and makes it pretty clear I can't be bluffing here very often.

[pokerfan]

very nice. live games are toally different than online. Usually, you should be very happy to put your entire stack in the pot with your TPTK or TPGK hand against casino donks , fish & manaics. Live actions are way tooo crazy, folks.
my buddy won 2.5k pot 2-4 NL with AA top pair at Niagara Fallsview Casino last weekend.