Calling 3 bets OTB with small pairs in blind wars

[mixchange]

So this happens a lot -- folded to me OTB and I have 22-88 , I lead for $4 and
4ish diff scenarios unfold
1) foldz. YAY
2) both call
3) one 3 bets, one folds
4) ones 3bets, the other calls

If checked to in #2 I fire flop and turn (unless both players call flop)

in #3 should we really setmine here? Anyone here fold? We probably need super deep stacks to call with small PPs. I feel like it's a fold. We do have position but villain is basically always cbetting.

in #4, I think calling makes more sense... but should it? Do we really have a bigger chance to stack someone? there's really nothing bet set value...

also, im guessing all this is VERY limit dependant... i.e. not much 3betting out of blinds with bad hands in 50nl or below, some in 100nl, a lot more as you go up... so perhaps we should frame the discussion that way?

[Warpe]

How does opening for 3X change your thinking?

[mixchange]

I don't like $3 because more people call in the BB. 33% bigger risk, but I think I get at least 33% more folds.

[meeloche]

3) I always fold here, although I would call if we're deep. (I'm at 50nl so there is very little light 3 betting)

4) Maybe more of a call then a fold. Depends on stack sizes I think.

Thats just what I do, I would like to hear others responses.

[Da GOAT]

such a vast topic:

PFR 5xBB
float or bluff shove flops
Cut down on stealing tho this is weak if you cut back way to much
PFR 3xBB

[Warpe]

I don't like $3 because more people call in the BB. 33% bigger risk, but I think I get at least 33% more folds.

3x makes it easier to call a 3-bet playing for a set with full stacks.

I raise 3x and call in both scenarios, esp. considering opp is signalling he has a big hand and is liklier to stack off if I hit.

[|~|ypermegachi]

it depends on stakes, since the higher you go the more 3betting there is. i think the higher you go, the more useful a 3x opener is OTB.

[Deanglow]

I make 3x from MP3-BU with small pairs. That way if I am 3bet I usually have odds to call. Or sometimes I just 4-bet/fold.

[mixchange]

So you vary your raise with position? I know people vary their 3bets (sauce) but I didn't know some people like to vary their opener. I haven't seen it much, except some people raise LESS with KK/AA. lol.

I have been consistently doing the same raise regardless of position. What amounts do you raise in respect to positions?

[thizzSantaCruz]

I think if you vary your pf raise size a lot of things go into the thought process. Raising an optimum size to make the hand play out is very important. Also raising an amount to misrepresent your hand can be good. If someone is folding their blinds way too much maybe raise 3x instead of 3.5 or 4x. If you feel like you have a decided post flop advantage raise a smaller amount so there is more money behind to play post flop. If opponenent is tricky raise a larger size so its easier to play post flop etc.