FJK LSD; JFIU

[Genitruc]

Villain is 20/9/1.5 and hasn't been overly active.

I've been playing aggro but really straightforward.

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, January 27, 19:10:40 ET 2008
Table Jackpot #1304946 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: thelymac ( $567.10 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $357.79 USD )
Seat 4: Watson1010 ( $126.97 USD )
Seat 5: AA_Hickok_88 ( $201 USD )
Seat 3: Gazza99 ( $113.20 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1 USD].
Gazza99 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO
Watson1010 calls [$2 USD]
AA_Hickok_88 calls [$2 USD]
thelymac calls [$2 USD]
HERO calls [$1 USD]
Gazza99 checks.
** Dealing Flop **
HERO bets [$8 USD]
Gazza99 folds.
Watson1010 folds.
AA_Hickok_88 folds.
thelymac calls [$8 USD]
** Dealing Turn **
HERO bets [$24 USD]
kya333 has joined the table.
thelymac raises [$77 USD]
HERO

[thizzSantaCruz]

i only see 33 and 45 having you beat here. he could easily have A2, A3 or A4 Raise.

[Fnord]

This is a pretty easy fold.

Board: Ah 3d 2c 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.796% 34.80% 00.00% 444 0.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 65.204% 65.20% 00.00% 832 0.00 { 33, A3s-A2s, 54s }

[Deanglow]

I think call the turn and check/call the river are the only plays I like with stacksizes. If the board pairs the river I probably value bet/call.

[will641]

I think call the turn and check/call the river are the only plays I like with stacksizes. If the board pairs the river I probably value bet/call.

i was thinking this too, but the problem is if we put him on 2 pair, pair and sd, straight or set (and i lean on putting him on 2 pair or set), if the board pairs that doesnt guarantee us the nuts, unless its a 2 or 8. also a diamond hitting sucks too.

also i think a lot of Adxd combos should be added to range.

[wufwugy]

I'm kinda surprised to see fold comments when it's shorthanded as opposed to full ring.

[Deanglow]

I didn't even think about the diamond factor. That kind of makes me want to reraise the turn, but I still think a call is best. Folding is not an option. So what's the rest of the hand?

[Numbr2intheWorld]

This is a pretty easy fold.

Board: Ah 3d 2c 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.796% 34.80% 00.00% 444 0.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 65.204% 65.20% 00.00% 832 0.00 { 33, A3s-A2s, 54s }

why can't he have A8?

[will641]

This is a pretty easy fold.

Board: Ah 3d 2c 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.796% 34.80% 00.00% 444 0.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 65.204% 65.20% 00.00% 832 0.00 { 33, A3s-A2s, 54s }

why can't he have A8?

villain doesnt raise a lot, but he does know how to raise. therefore i think it is fair to assume he raise A8 otb, but i guess you cant throw it out.

[EzDuzIt]

i doubt this villain raises a8 after the limpers.

[Halv]

I don't think a typical 20/9 isolates A8 alot at all preflop. I call this a cooler if I'm beat, but I'm not sure how to continue.

While we're playing with ranges, here's another:
49.01% 0.65% 49.67% ( 2d2s )
49.68% 0.65% 50.33% ( 33.A2s-A3s,54s,Ad4d-Ad5d,A8s(50) )

No really dumb hands here either. I like to add a little bit of equity to the WOW factor ("WOW why the hell did he do that?") and bluffs.

[Genitruc]

lol @ new terminology

"WOW Factor" is an excellent term

[griffey24]

I don't think a typical 20/9 isolates A8 alot at all preflop. I call this a cooler if I'm beat, but I'm not sure how to continue.

While we're playing with ranges, here's another:
49.01% 0.65% 49.67% ( 2d2s )
49.68% 0.65% 50.33% ( 33.A2s-A3s,54s,Ad4d-Ad5d,A8s(50) )

No really dumb hands here either. I like to add a little bit of equity to the WOW factor ("WOW why the hell did he do that?") and bluffs.

So how do we distinguish between the "wow factor" and the bluffs?

Or does "wow factor" account for all hands with showdown value that are being turned into bluffs/outrageous value for some reason? Like villain raising A7o or TT here or something?

[Genitruc]

griffey

with your TT example, you, sir, have clearly demonstrated that you understand the wow factor

[griffey24]

griffey

with your TT example, you, sir, have clearly demonstrated that you understand the wow factor

haha.. are you referring to my river c/r? But that wasn't for wow factor.. that was for value factor! ... wasn't it?

[Genitruc]

lol actually I wasn't even making an obscure reference

if in this hand I called villain down and he showed TT it'd be the ultimate wow factor example

[will641]

isnt the WOW factor the same thing as a bluff? or a really bad bluff rather? or i guess it would be more like a stupid shove with a hand that has some small show down value.

[Genitruc]

ya I don t know will

i d never heard the term used before but every now and then a hand just comes up where it seems like your opponent was basing his decisions on the roll of a 3-sided die on every street

WOW

[meeloche]

I like Wow factor a lot.