What the shit? Give me a plan FTR

[Ash256]

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($50.00)
UTG+1 ($61.65)
CO ($45.75)
BTN ($63.71)
SB ($54.44)
Hero ($78.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, CO raises to $2, BTN calls $2, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.5

Flop: ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $8, SB calls $8, $8 to Hero ($76.9)?


BTN seems taggy over a tiny sample size, SB is a well known fucktard who hates folding.

[Ash256]

Oh, also, button hasn't raised pre in the 35 or so hands he's played

[EzDuzIt]

if he hasnt ever raised pre how is he taggy?

dont fold. maybe even just bet out yourself since there are so many people in and the texture.

[Ash256]

if he hasnt ever raised pre how is he taggy?

Soz, I'm fucking tired!

BUTTON: 32/0/inf; its the inf that made him seem taggy to my worn out mind

[Deanglow]

Here's a plan: Fold preflop. Bet the flop, as played checkraise.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Here's a plan: Fold preflop. Bet the flop, as played checkraise.

[asdpikas]

When I flop that kind of hand, i usually donk bet the flop, if i get raised i push

Only AJ (with case J, unlikely) and 99 have me beat, but many more times i get value from overpairs.
is this a good line? what do you guys think?

[will641]

Here's a plan: Fold preflop. Bet the flop, as played checkraise.

maybe this is a leak of mine calling with weak hands like this in this situation, but with that much money in and the fact that we are last to act, dont we have some sort of odds to call pre? for the sake of discussion, assuming im right, you should be playing it pretty aggressively right?

[Kagey]

My maths isn't great, but J10 off barely has the price to call and runs into the other players' ranges in a bad way. Now checkraise.

[BigPapi]

Will, we're in BB here. from BTN maybe (in this situation I still don't call every time if we are BTN), but I doubt this is playable from BB. at least not as a standard play...

I'm raising now as played

[eugmac]

I insta-muck this PF, but since you're playing it and hit the sort of hand you were trying to hit, and there's lots of people in the pot with a drawy board texture, you gotta raise and play for stacks... Based on your read SB might stack off with K9.

[Ash256]

- Fold PF - Noted
- Lead Flop - Noted

Thing is, if I c/r flop I'm pot-committed. A worse jack is out there only rarely. Does this bother us?

[asdpikas]

- Fold PF - Noted
- Lead Flop - Noted

Thing is, if I c/r flop I'm pot-committed. A worse jack is out there only rarely. Does this bother us?

If u get called by KJ or AJ u still have outs (any T to win and a 9 or runners pairing to split) Plus, there are 3 Js accounted for.
You are really hoping to get called by overpairs, K9, A9 or draws.
The trouble is that by checkraising you will kill the action for most of those because you're giving away your hand.
By leading, many times villains will think you're buying a paired pot and raise you with most of the abovementioned hands. Thus commiting much more on a raised pot.
It would be harder for villain to lay down AA if you lead, he raises, you push, as you could be semibluffing, holding another pocket pair, etc...

As played i think you may be called by worse if villains are not too bright or if you have an aggro bluffer image.
Still, I play at that level and see amazing things everyday.

[asdpikas]

A question of my own...
Would JTs be a fold for you guys preflop too?
Big suited connectors just love big multiway pots...

[bair]

for me JTo is a snapfold and JTs is a snapcall. snip snap snappy snap

[Manners]

Would probably fold pre, but If I didn't I'd donkbet the flop with $7.5 and hope to thin the field to 2. From then on I'd try to rep A9 (mainly c/c). And if the board is safeish on the end maybe a vbet (c/r if SB folds and we are oop).

but i'm probably wrong!

[jackvance]

Kinda sucks now I think you have to call, if you c/r here your hand is pretty much face up (seriously what range are you c/r in a multiway pot?) and you'll get all folds (unless one of em has you beat).. this is why you have to lead to make it easier. As played I'd call and probably lead turn, or maybe go for a c/r although then you risk it getting checked through. But leading flop is much better.

[Manners]

what the guy above said is good. I kinda planned to get reraised on the flop (so they take the lead) and then smooth call and basically act A9 from then on so you can make some money from any badly played overpairs.

like the guy above me said, check raising the flop does look sort of obvious, but as played it needs to be done. you dont want to give pot odds to people with big draws (QT or spades) to call as it looks like the board will most likely get dangerous.