Drastic times

[cjs55]

call for drastic measures.

My bankroll is pretty much gone. I played 280 hands this morning and lost 4 buyins, bringing my 4 day total to 17 buyins lost over 5000 hands. The fact that people say 20 Buyins is enough for NL and I lost 17 that fast is mind blowing to me. I have to suck, there's no way about it. No doubt I run bad but I've gotta have some massive spew.

I'm going to post all of my hands (minus the ones I posted in other threads) that I've lost 60BB or more in over the last 4 days. Some I know I misplayed pretty bad.

#1: Yay I run bad.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($50)
BB ($53)
UTG ($17.50)
MP ($70.40)
Hero ($72.25)
Button ($61.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, UTG calls $7.50, MP calls $5.75.

Flop: ($24.75) , , (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $15, Hero raises to $64.25 (All-In), UTG folds, MP calls $47.40 (All-In).

Turn: ($149.55) (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($149.55) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $151.4

(he had QQ)


#2: Villain was a maniac but I think this play is bad regardless.

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BB ($80.65)
UTG ($145.95)
MP ($50)
CO ($13.30)
Hero ($68.70)
SB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , . UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, UTG (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($5.25) , , (3 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50.

Turn: ($13.25) (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $9, UTG raises to $40.25, Hero raises to $71.45 (All-In), UTG calls $22.20.

River: ($138.15) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $147.15

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
UTG has Tc Kd (straight, king high).
Hero has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins $147.15.

#3: once again the same maniac, I think this is fine.

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UTG ($73.65)
MP ($199.70)
CO ($50.40)
Button ($65.65)
Hero ($55.90)
BB ($7)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.25, 1 fold, MP calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.75) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP calls $7.

Turn: ($24.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $14, MP raises to $187.7 (All-In), Hero calls $29.90 (All-In).

River: ($112.55) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $256.35

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Qd (one pair, queens).
MP has Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: MP wins $256.35.

#4: Nothing like a small instaraise to induce a retarded all-in...too bad I run bad.

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MP ($46.20)
CO ($29.40)
Button ($69.90)
Hero ($50.25)
BB ($54.80)
UTG ($52.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BB raises to $5, Hero raises to $16.75, BB raises to $50, Hero raises to $67 (All-In), BB calls $5.25.

Flop: ($110.50) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($110.50) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($110.50) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $110.5

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
BB has Jc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins $122.25.

#5: Villain is standard TAG for these levels. I figured I have good fold equity with the raise and when he pushed I think the call is a no-brainer.

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SB ($87.95)
BB ($46.85)
UTG ($81.15)
MP ($55.80)
CO ($149.55)
Hero ($50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $2, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($6.75) , , (3 players)
MP bets $4.85, CO folds, Hero raises to $17, MP raises to $58.65 (All-In), Hero calls $31 (All-In).

Turn: ($102.75) (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($102.75) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $113.4

Results in white below:
MP has Ac As (one pair, aces).
Hero has 5d 4d (one pair, fives).
Outcome: MP wins $113.40.

#6: Against same TAG, this was pure spew. I was playing really lag at the time so I felt like he would be playing back with alot of foldable hands here. He sure as hell ain't folding an overpair though so I think it's pretty bad.

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BB ($79.80)
UTG ($244.60)
MP ($70.60)
CO ($63.60)
Hero ($50)
SB ($55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, SB raises to $7.25, 1 fold, MP folds, Hero calls $5.25.

Flop: ($16.50) , , (2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero raises to $43 (All-In), SB calls $30.

Turn: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $102.5

Results in white below:
SB has Kh Kc (one pair, kings).
Hero has 7s 8s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $102.50.


#7: Both opps were donks.

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MP ($48.25)
CO ($49.85)
Hero ($107.45)
SB ($145.60)
BB ($87.85)
UTG ($41.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.75, 2 folds, MP calls $6, CO calls $6.

Flop: ($24) , , (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $42.1 (All-In), Hero raises to $84.2, MP folds.

Turn: ($108.20) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($108.20) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $108.2

Results in white below:
CO has 6c 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: CO wins $108.20.


#8: An aggressive donk with high VPIP and aggression factor and showdown %. I think my call was based on the WTF factor more than anything else. It was probably really bad.

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UTG ($88.45)
MP ($46.85)
CO ($80.40)
Button ($55.80)
SB ($103.05)
Hero ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
4 folds, SB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.25) (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12.

River: ($40.25) (2 players)
SB bets $83.05 (All-In), Hero calls $29.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: $99.25

Results in white below:
SB has Qc 4h (straight, five high).
Hero has Ac Kc (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: SB wins $152.80.


#9: Villain sucks, too bad I run so good!

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MP ($62.80)
CO ($64.45)
Hero ($52.75)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($57.45)
UTG ($55.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12.25) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB raises to $43.75 (All-In), Hero calls $34.75.

Turn: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $99.75

Results in white below:
SB has Qd Ah (flush, queen high).
Hero has 8c Th (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: SB wins $99.75.

[cjs55]

#10: I'm pretty sure this is standard against anyone.

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Hero ($50)
UTG ($100.90)
MP ($53.65)
CO ($69.20)
Button ($19.90)
SB ($44.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
3 folds, SB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.25) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($2.25) (3 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50.

River: ($6.25) (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $46.15 (All-In), Hero calls $21.15.

Final Pot: $93.55

Results in white below:
SB has Ks 9s (flush, king high).
Hero has 7s Ts (flush, ten high).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins $88.55.

#11: I don't know why I'm stupid enough to call this on the turn. I'm an idiot.

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UTG ($50)
MP ($93.15)
Hero ($66.10)
SB ($90.40)
BB ($64.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB raises to $8.25, MP folds, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($18) , , (2 players)
BB bets $11, Hero calls $11.

Turn: ($40) (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero calls $25.

River: ($90) (2 players)
BB bets $20.4 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $90

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $110.40.


#12: New to table so no reads or hands on opp. The check on the turn was maybe bad but I was really scared as to what he was calling my raise with. Too bad I had to river the one card that would lose me lots of money.

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MP ($91.05)
CO ($53.45)
Hero ($49.75)
SB ($61.55)
BB ($59.85)
UTG ($83.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $7, BB folds.

Turn: ($18) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($18) (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, SB raises to $42, Hero calls $18.

Final Pot: $96

Results in white below:
SB has 6s 6d (full house, sixes full of fours).
Hero has 5d 4d (full house, fours full of fives).
Outcome: SB wins $96.

#13: I have this problem where I don't give donks respect for hands with their tiny little bets. This is terrible.

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BB ($53)
UTG ($57.75)
MP ($56.35)
CO ($146.25)
Button ($22.55)
Hero ($52.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.75, 1 fold, CO calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.75) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($29.75) (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero calls $12.

River: ($53.75) (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls $15.

Final Pot: $83.75

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
CO has Qh Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins $83.75.

#14: Same donk, after the last hand. Am I losing the minimum or should I be going all in on the flop?

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CO ($61.30)
Button ($51.25)
SB ($39.85)
BB ($190.75)
UTG ($50.50)
Hero ($49)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (3 players)
BB bets $2.5, Hero raises to $9, BB raises to $20.5, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($42.25) (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($42.25) (3 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Final Pot: $62.25

Results in white below:
BB has 6d 8c (straight, nine high).
UTG doesn't show.
Hero has Kd Ks (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: BB wins $62.25.

#15: Like 60/10/3 over 40 hands, and a massive stack. I don't really have any reads on him.

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Button ($338.85)
SB ($49.45)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($59.50)
MP ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, Button raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero raises to $11, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($25.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button raises to $326.1 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $55.75

Results in white below:
No showdown. Button wins $366.85.

#16: When hero calls go wrong. This is just terrible, he has all the middle pairs in his range even though it's unlikely he'd bet with it on the river. I guess my thinking was he would only make this bet with a slow played solid hand, or a total bluff with a busted draw, and I figured it was enough a busted draw that I could call.

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MP ($26.25)
CO ($66.20)
Button ($58.10)
SB ($52.60)
BB ($48.50)
Hero ($62.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.5, Button calls $5.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($15.25) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($31.25) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($31.25) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12.

Final Pot: $55.25

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Ah (two pair, queens and sevens).
Button has 4h 7h (full house, sevens full of queens).
Outcome: Button wins $55.25.

#17: Donk with a short stack. Meh, I don't think this is bad but I could be wrong.

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BB ($25.05)
Hero ($63.70)
SB ($10.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
Hero raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.25) (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $8.55 (All-In).

River: ($50.35) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $59.8

Results in white below:
BB has 5h 5s (full house, fives full of sevens).
Hero has 7h Qh (three of a kind, sevens).
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $50.35.

[kmind]

you do realize you can move down, right?

[freechus9]

you do realize you can move down, right?

QFT. If you have less than 20 buyins in your bankroll, move down.

[cjs55]

Yeah, I'm moving down now. I waited until I had 20 buyins for 25NL to do so...are you always supposed to move down if you drop under 20 buyins? I thought you were supposed to start with at least 20 buyins, but not necessarily move down if you drop below it.

Luckily I've got 500 dollars in rakeback coming in at the middle of the month which will help out a bit.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Seems like your running bad, move down if u have less than 20 BI's IMO. Not worth killing yourself over downswings.

[will641]

if i were rolled for 50nl, which it sounds like you were. ($1250), i would probably move back down once i got to $950 or $1000, depending on how much you are willing to risk.

[Galapogos]

Some of those hands are bad and you seem to know which ones. For the most part you're losing because you're downswinging hard. Which sucks, but at least you aren't a bad player.

[nutsinho]

yeah it looks like you realize that a few of these are not good....but 10 is one of the ones that isnt good. this is awful vs the vast majority of players. I would just call the river, and if i did think there was value in a raise for some reason id make it only like 13 or something and fold to a shove.
also, id be calling #15 for sure getting over 3:1.

most of these are fine though and im sure this downswing will end sooner than later.

[Jack Sawyer]

Swallow your pride, eat your ego, and drop down. Rebuild your roll, then move back up.
*edit: I guess you already realized this



20 is MINIMUM, but I guess now you know.


Personally, I'm ultra conservative (i have my reasons). I move up when I have 100BI for a given level, move back down when I have 80 BI

[cjs55]

Thanks guys. On the plus side, 25NL is easy as hell compared to 50NL. I think 4PTBB/100 8 tabling is about the same level as 2PTBB/100 6 tabling 50NL is. On the minus side, I'm not going to get any better playing against 25NL opponents.