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    Default Two AA folds

    I'd like your thoughts on the following hands, please:

    Hand 1
    No reads.

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($15.25)
    UTG+1 ($25.55)
    CO ($48.25)
    Hero ($47.45)
    SB ($118.40)
    BB ($50.00)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.75, BB calls $4.5, UTG+1 calls $3.25

    Flop: ($20, 4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($20, 4 players)
    SB bets $20, BB calls $20, 1 fold, Hero folds


    Hand 2:
    No real reads as he'd only played about 6 hands, albeit seeing flops in most of them.

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($67.50)
    UTG+1 ($62.75)
    CO ($20.00)
    Hero ($60.85)
    SB ($57.25)
    BB ($60.30)
    [CO posted $0.25]

    Pre-flop: ($1, 6 players) Hero is BTN
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.5, CO calls $0.5, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $2, CO calls $2

    Flop: ($8.5, 3 players)
    UTG+1 bets $5.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, UTG+1 calls $9.5

    Turn: ($38.5, 2 players)
    UTG+1 goes all-in $45.25, Hero folds
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    1) 3bet bigger pre to $5.5, bet flop. as played i still probably shove.
    2) call
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    1) Why didn't you bet the flop? I would always bet the flop probably shove turn.

    2) I can't find a fold here either.
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    Hand 1: 3-bet to about $6 preflop, and wtf bet the flop! Why didn't you? That's the nicest flop ever, and you can't just assume someone flopped a set because it's low.

    Hand 2: Call. If he shows QT or the worst played set ever so be it. This is such a donkey bluff line though.


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    omg what are these?

    bet flop in 1, SNAPcall doublefistpump two
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    gross hands, you need to get a couple of hours of coaching.

    1. bet the flop with the nuts, as played you can call or shove, which ever option you feel gets it in easiest, i guess shove since your hand is pretty vulnerable in this three way pot. You are basically treating this hand like you have A9, when in actuality you have AA.

    2. this one is a little closer, but its still a call. He has QT a ton, but you are getting 2:1 and when you raise the flop you basically are committed on a blank turn (this is blank enough) when you raise the flop like that. Its definitely not a call i'd snap my fist for, but I would be pretty optimistic about it.
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    hand 1: holy shit bet flop
    hand 2: pretty easy call
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    Seriously dude wtf!

    Bet flop in 1 and call 2!!!!!!! ZOMG I can't believe you fold both these.
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    not betting the flop on hand 1 is a HUGE leak, and i mean HUGE. this is a direct violation of the FTOP, especially in NL.

    snap-call for #2.
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    Thanks guys. I was SO pissed at myself in hand one, even before they showed down (QQ vs 55 omg wtf I am the worst player ever). Hand 2, I dunno, it's likely a call but the villain is either bluffing or he has top pair beat - it was a limp/call pre-flop so KK is possible but unlikely, AQ is extremely unlikely, and any other high hand makes no sense.

    I almost posted hand 1 in Tales of Poker as a "look at what a huge fucking fish I am" post. I guess occasionally we do dumb things. They don't usually cost me a buyin and a half, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.
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    Well I think its good to have the ability to fold good hands, but not in these spots!

    I was about to ask if you read that "psychic" post in strategies, after seeing that hand 1 fold, without even putting in a single bet!

    Same as what everyone else said pretty much. 3-bet harder PF (though you couldn't have anticipated all the callers behind you in either case)..and yah bet flop for sure.

    hand 2 - I think a lot of times I ask myself "is he trying to get me to fold?" .. and if the answer is yes, I call. This bet here it definitely feels like he's trying to get you to fold. I think he has two pair here sometimes and is pushing out the draws, but I still call this.
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    Thing is, after my flop raise, does the average 50nl donk really think I can be pushed out of the pot with any hand I am representing? Do I really stack off here with only a pair vs a dude who has bet/called a dry flop and has 120bb?
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    I also made a real effort to get him to tell me his hand, but he wouldn't. Sigh.
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    I also made a real effort to get him to tell me his hand, but he wouldn't. Sigh.
    You raised pre, and you raised his flop lead.. so all you've shown is strength. If he had you beat, why would he overpush pot into you, when there's a high likelyhood you'll bet when checked to? Also, if he checked to you on turn were you prepared to bet/call?

    I mean there's a chance you're beat here, but this board is so drawy that I'd find it hard to fold.
  17. #17
    all in on both flops in both hands for me

    in hand 1 i m all in on the turn after tarping flop
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    don t assume ppl at nl50 are thinking about what you are thinking
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Genitruc, you still want to sweat me one day? As you can see I need it

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    d0 you 3bet/raise over limpers this small always? I would make it $6 in hand 1 and $3 in hand 2 and im not folding either. Not betting the flop in hand 1 is really bad but i think im just beating a dead horse at this point.
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