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    Default What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($10.05)
    MP ($9.30)
    CO ($3.90)
    Button ($4.10)
    SB ($2.45)
    Hero ($17.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
    UTG raises to $0.6, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($1.25) K, 3, J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: $1.25
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    Reads? Your image? Unknown?

    I generally like open betting here against an unknown in microlimits, but I'd much rather play a read here when it comes to extracting value with middle set on a board where opp is highly unlikely to have a draw.
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    My image:I'd been on a nasty streak where I had 3 sets in 4 hands. I didn't see anything past the flop on any of them. So I looked like I was tired of my chips and just gambooooooling

    Even better I had to call a raise to get there each time I figgured each time someone would get tired of being slapped and look me up.

    I mean I called .40, .50, and .60 for each set. I needed to make 15 dollars to make set hunting worthwhile there. Instead I made like 3. Does that make this run -EV?

    You guys make it seem so easy.. flop a set get paid.

    Blah [/rant]
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    Default Re: What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($10.05)
    MP ($9.30)
    CO ($3.90)
    Button ($4.10)
    SB ($2.45)
    Hero ($17.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
    UTG raises to $0.6, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($1.25) K, 3, J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: $1.25
    Just check/call flop it isn't very draw heavy. C/R or lead turn.
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    Default Re: What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    Quote Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($10.05)
    MP ($9.30)
    CO ($3.90)
    Button ($4.10)
    SB ($2.45)
    Hero ($17.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
    UTG raises to $0.6, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($1.25) K, 3, J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: $1.25
    Just check/call flop it isn't very draw heavy. C/R or lead turn.
    This community has told me never to slowplay the flop with a set at 10nl.
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    If you don't want to slow play I would check raize.
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    Default Re: What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    This community has told me never to slowplay the flop with a set at 10nl.
    I don't know about never, but the community is right, without a read. Unknown is presumed bad and overly loose, and thus betting allows for bigger bets on later streets and a larger overall pot. But it's not like there's an insta-stack button you can just press.

    Rest assured knowing that most of the time, you'll win more $ with this line. But it's still gonna result in a fold often enough. It's not like you can put an UTG raiser on a JJ+, AK range, especially at these limits (and if you could, your preflop call would be -EV). Perhaps opp realized his mid pair was really just that. Anyway, winning a 12bb pot is nothing to be furious about. Jump back in the game tonight and stack a donk to make yourself feel better.
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    Default Re: What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    Quote Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($10.05)
    MP ($9.30)
    CO ($3.90)
    Button ($4.10)
    SB ($2.45)
    Hero ($17.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
    UTG raises to $0.6, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($1.25) K, 3, J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, UTG folds.

    Final Pot: $1.25
    Just check/call flop it isn't very draw heavy. C/R or lead turn.
    This community has told me never to slowplay the flop with a set at 10nl.
    There are no hands you should be worried about drawing out on you on this flop apart from QT. I'm not sure even at 10NL a semi-decent player raises that. If you don't wanna slow play it at least C/R the c-bet.

    What hands are giving you action on this flop that raise UTG AK/KQ/KK/AA? Pretty thin range, let him bluff a little. Plus there is only one hand that has you beat KK.

    Equally I'm not saying its bad, I'm just sating maybe you could have made a few more BB's. That's all.
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    Default Re: What? Isn't he supposed to raise here? 10nl

    Quote Originally Posted by PokerMuzz

    There are no hands you should be worried about drawing out on you on this flop apart from QT. I'm not sure even at 10NL a semi-decent player raises that. If you don't wanna slow play it at least C/R the c-bet.

    What hands are giving you action on this flop that raise UTG AK/KQ/KK/AA? Pretty thin range, let him bluff a little. Plus there is only one hand that has you beat KK.

    Equally I'm not saying its bad, I'm just sating maybe you could have made a few more BB's. That's all.
    Ehhhh... maybe i'm spoiled by absurdly bad live opps. Even microlimit online donks don't like to bluff-reraise or inexplicably put you on a bluff and call down multiple streets with A-high anymore? If true, this makes me sad.

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