gap between PFR and VP$IP

[dev]

How close do we want these two stats to be?

Conventional wisdom says the closer, the better, but it has to cap out somewhere, doesn't it?

Has anyone attempted an experiment with raise-or-fold only preflop?

From the march goals thread:

Narrow the gap between PFR and VP$P (around 5% difference currently)

5%? and that's not close enough? I realize mine are too far apart, too, but should we be so taggy as to only call preflop 4% of the time? 3%?
Is anyone here running 15/13?

[d0zer]

I run 16/11 at 25NL/50NL with fairly respectable winrates... 4PTBB/100 on average.

I'm curious if any of the "must be 2% gap" types have ever done a winrate analysis comparing the two styles.

Basically the only difference between me and a 13/11 is that I still open limp low PPs from all positions. I kind of question how much that should affect my winrate given that most critical decisions, where the most money is won & lost is postflop, so a little bit of preflop loose passivity shouldn't do TOO much to your winrate if you're solid postflop. Sure I get burned occasionally & waste a BB when there's 3-betting behind or a PFR from a shortie, so maybe the limp is closer to neutral EV than a limp from LP behind other limpers.

Spoon also made the point that the more passive style is more of an exploitable style, which I imagine is a more important point as you go up in the limits and find yourself against smarter opponents, which is maybe why it's the 100NL+ types who are running 2% gaps & us microstakers are running larger gaps.

Or maybe it's because the 100NL+ types are true sharks, and we're still sharks on training wheels

I know when I run into a 15/4 I certainly play differently than vs a 15/12. It's far easier to get away from a raise made by a 15/4 than it is a 15/12, so anyone running a HUD (and correctly interpreting stats) will be able to exploit the more transparent style of play that the large gap suggests.

...then again, the HUD multi-tabling regs are usually nitty & hard to extract from at microstakes, so maybe it doesn't matter THAT much...

In conclusion: I don't f'n know

[XTR1000]

I´m 15/13

[ChrisTheFish]

I run about 30/25 @ 6max.

[pgil]

I think it depends so much on your tables that you can't narrow it down to what is best generally. having said that, having too wide a gap would make you a more passive player, and that generally makes for a harder game in my experience. If you can pull off the more passive pf game with superior postflop skills, then more power to you.

overall I run in the 20/13 neighbourhood (it is trending towards tigher/more aggressive lately), but this is because I only play 4-5 tables and table select for the loosest ones available (which generally aren't that loose) and therefore have weaker opps.

[dev]

I´m 15/13

and?

[spoonitnow]

I'm between 14/12 and 18/16 depending on who is to my left.

[pokerfan]

you guys really raise more hands than i think.
200 nL: 14.5/10.2
100NL: 13.6/10