Call with T high on river? 25NL LOL.

[microgrinder]

Maybe I've gone insane, but I really want to call here. Site doesn't have HUD, villain is definitely passive. I'd guess somewhere around 30-35/10 or something. He's doubtful to be betting for value with anything but a boat, given history.

Also whats the worst hand you call with?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($22.60)
SB ($9.19)
Hero ($34.27)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 3 players) Hero is BB :Ts:
BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.35, BTN calls $1.1

Flop: ($2.8, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.3, BTN calls $2.3

Turn: ($7.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4

Hero is considering calling?

[Jack Sawyer]

nobody will ever bluff you again

[UG]

given reads quick fold awe-shucks next hand?

[dalecooper]

I let that go without a thought. Even if he's bluffing there's too good of a chance that he'll beat you by accident.

[microgrinder]

Even if he's bluffing there's too good of a chance that he'll beat you by accident.

I don't think this happens very often, as he is just happy to see a showdown with the hands that beat me that aren't a boat.

[EzDuzIt]

probably let it go. i guess u beat counterfeited pps

[dalecooper]

Even if he's bluffing there's too good of a chance that he'll beat you by accident.

I don't think this happens very often, as he is just happy to see a showdown with the hands that beat me that aren't a boat.

Depending how aware he is he might not realize that king high/queen high is a reasonable holding here and thinks he's bluffing when he's actually making something closer to a very thin (and weird) value bet; or he might just be making a very thin (and weird) value bet. Regardless, I'm not usually bothering with this. There are a lot of better spots for looking people up. This is the kind of call you make to bolster your table image as much as to make money, and does your table image really matter to this guy, or anyone else who's sitting with you? Probably not.

But if you were playing Phil Ivey, I'd say this is worth the call. It might get him off your ass for 3 or 4 hands, and would also be an awesome story to tell your friends.

[Ash256]

You're not completely insane you know dude.

[kmind]

I probably fold. If he bets a suspicious amount I probably call.

[martindcx1e]

without reading the hand fold

[dev]

You don't even beat a bluff most of the time.

I pokerstoved you vs. top 50% of all hands:
Board: Ad 3c As Jh Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.769% 15.16% 03.61% 67 15.94 { Ts9s }
Hand 1: 81.231% 77.62% 03.61% 343 15.94 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

[Numbr2intheWorld]

call and it's probably not close.

[IowaSkinsFan]

yeah i agree i call too.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

this guy has a counterfeited pair sooooooooooooooooooooo much.

if i had like 87 i might lead like $2.50 on the river.

[nutsinho]

why arent you guys adjusting his range to hands he actually calls flop with. this includes pairs and aces, not shit like KT or Q9. he never has jj+ so he nearly always either has an ace or a worse hand than yours. snapcall

[microgrinder]

Aside from being a good image play with how I play, I truly think this is marginally +eV given that we only have to be right like 25% of the time. I think it's at least close.

Like what would you guys do with KK here? I really think KK is only a marginally better than T-high in this spot. Cause I there's so many reasons against him showing down K or Q high in this hand.

Edit: posted this before all the call posts came in. Good to see I'm not on crack lol.

[Genitruc]

r u on crack?

[pocketfours]

Call

[microgrinder]

r u on crack?

Crack? No. Drunk...maybe (it was just St. Patrick's day)

Anywho, I tanked and called, villain showed 88. Maybe I was overthinking things and this is an easier call than what I made it out to be.

On re-evaluation I think I lead river for 1/3->1/2 pot if I have like worse than 7 or 8 high and C/C if I have like better than 8 or 9 high versus this opponent.

[kmind]

You don't even beat a bluff most of the time.

I pokerstoved you vs. top 50% of all hands:
Board: Ad 3c As Jh Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.769% 15.16% 03.61% 67 15.94 { Ts9s }
Hand 1: 81.231% 77.62% 03.61% 343 15.94 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

this range is completely worthless here

[dev]

You don't even beat a bluff most of the time.

I pokerstoved you vs. top 50% of all hands:
Board: Ad 3c As Jh Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.769% 15.16% 03.61% 67 15.94 { Ts9s }
Hand 1: 81.231% 77.62% 03.61% 343 15.94 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

this range is completely worthless here

Relax, I was just illustrating a point in the simplest possible way.

I don't know why I didn't think about this earlier, but I've flat called a J-high board when I played the board and watched a guy muck his hand without seeing mine. But that time I had a ridiculously good physical read. Online this is just insane.

[nutsinho]

this guy prob would have valuetowned me if i had 7 high. lol

[microgrinder]

this guy prob would have valuetowned me if i had 7 high. lol

That would be absolutely hilarious. I think its probably more optimal to lead river for a small bet with 7 high or worse.

In hindsight I don't think this is all that close with at least 9 high+ anymore. C/C seems >> anything else the more I think about it.

[microgrinder]

double post.

[Deanglow]

For all of you that say you would snapcall, please post a hand similar where you actually did.

[IowaSkinsFan]

For all of you that say you would snapcall, please post a hand similar where you actually did.

This is a horrible call but hey i did it.

PokerStars Game #14779283469: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/01/23 - 22:56:18 (ET)
Table 'Lyalya' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: heybude ($423.50 in chips)
Seat 2: snowbank ($1061.50 in chips)
heybude: posts small blind $2
snowbank: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [4c 7s]
heybude: raises $8 to $12
snowbank: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [3h 2c Ks]
snowbank: bets $15
heybude: raises $37 to $52
heybude said, "call"
heybude said, "shove"
snowbank: raises $997.50 to $1049.50 and is all-in
heybude said, "haha"
heybude: calls $359.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3h 2c Ks] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [3h 2c Ks 5s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
snowbank: shows [5d 4d] (three of a kind, Fives)
heybude: mucks hand
snowbank collected $846.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $847 | Rake $0.50
Board [3h 2c Ks 5s 5c]
Seat 1: heybude (button) (small blind) mucked [4c 7s]
Seat 2: snowbank (big blind) showed [5d 4d] and won ($846.50) with three of a kind, Fives

[nutsinho]

looool so frustrating

[Numbr2intheWorld]

For all of you that say you would snapcall, please post a hand similar where you actually did.

This hand doesn't come up often... it'd take me forever to find one. If it comes up sometime soon I'll make sure to post it.

I've probably never done it with T high either (i think in the moment in micro's situation i'd lead bluff the river). Definitely have done it in a similar situation with Q or K high though.

[griffey24]

For all of you that say you would snapcall, please post a hand similar where you actually did.

This hand doesn't come up often... it'd take me forever to find one. If it comes up sometime soon I'll make sure to post it.

I've probably never done it with T high either (i think in the moment in micro's situation i'd lead bluff the river). Definitely have done it in a similar situation with Q or K high though.

I agree that I'd end up lead bluffing waay waay more often than checking wtih the intention of calling with T-high. I'm not saying lead bluffing is better, but I feel more comfortable b/f than c/c with this kind of hand.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

yeah even though c/c is way better

[Genitruc]

ISF that hand just made my day

ty

[pocketfours]

This is a horrible call but hey i did it.