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  1. #1

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    I’m playing taggy (23/18/4) and a little more aggro than most (mainly by betting a little more when checked to in multi-way pots) and value-betting very thinly in HU pots.

    Your image is tag, if a little nitty (21/13/2.5), mainly because you don’t 3-bet a ton OOP but flat quite a bit.

    Neither one of us has been caught out of line yet and the intial raiser is a 40/18 semi-fishy lagg.

    Table "Kenny" Seat 2 is the button.
    Seat 1: olfie ($432.65 in chips)
    Seat 2: svetlana ($186 in chips)
    Seat 3: $All_In$ ($202.45 in chips)
    Seat 4: HERO ($516.41 in chips)
    Seat 5: Ziigmund ($105.32 in chips)
    Seat 6: Genitruc ($280.50 in chips)
    $All_In$: posts small blind $1
    HERO: posts big blind $2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    Ziigmund: raises to $6
    Genitruc: calls $6
    olfie: folds
    svetlana: folds
    $All_In$: folds
    HERO (pre-decision decision) : calls $4
    ----- FLOP -----
    HERO: checks
    Ziigmund: checks
    Genitruc: bets $17
    HERO (decision #1) : calls $17
    Ziigmund: folds
    ----- TURN -----
    HERO (decision #2) : checks
    Genitruc: bets $41
    HERO (decision #3) : calls $41
    ----- RIVER -----
    HERO: checks
    Genitruc: bets $150
    HERO…

    Let me know what it looks like I have and why you would play any street differently than the hero in this hand so far.

    Enjoy!
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    some bluff or set, but mostly i think you have a set.
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    decision 1: fine. genitruc could easily be stabbing at the pot with a hand that has less than 4 outs. a c/r isn't that good when you consider the made hands that call a c/r that we beat usually aren't putting more money into the pot on later streets (Q-J/K-J).

    decision 2: shitty spot for top two pair. c/r to ~110, folding to a push without knowing genitruc will maintain a relatively high bluffing frequency when the stacks are deeper. i don't really like c/c since it looks so much like what we have (a made hand that would prefer to showdown without putting more money in the pot), as well as allowing genitruc to see the river when there are several cards he could hit to complete a straight or flush. a bet/3bet line just turns our hand into a bluff but for more money (assuming genitruc only felts 4-4+ on the turn).

    decision 3: (wouldn't end up here)
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    Everything is good and i'd call the river, but versus a tighter player i'd fold.
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    this shit does not make sense. god damn.
    do the right thing.
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    I raise flop to 45 and shut down. As played I raise turn to $105 and fold to a shove. As played I fold river since you've got the nuts.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    why would anyone want to raise/fold the turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    why would anyone want to raise/fold the turn?
    Because I have respect for OP's play and think he will almost never shove a draw or a worse hand here (since my image is nitty). It doesn't look like he has any FE. If he shoves I'm putting him on 44/77/JJ/AJs/5h6h and nothing else.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    why would anyone want to raise/fold the turn?
    Yeah really

    And I think you have AQ/AK a lot. Or at least I would.
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    I think this has to be a call given that our hand is right at the top of our range.
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    after the river bet, AJ doesn't seem much better than 87 here. With all the bet sizing i seriously think you have a set a lot, and i probably wouldn't fold in the moment, but i think it is one.

    As for the decisions. I think calling preflop is good, squeezing would suck cause we do badly against a 4-bet and ouyr hand just isn't strong enough to play in a 3-bet oop against a half stack.

    c/c on the flop is fine, i guess leading could be decent too. I think the turn the only option really is c/c, since you're and aggro player and i expect you to bet that A for value (if you bluffed an Ax on the flop, have two pair, or have like KJ even) as well as a bluff. So i think the turn is pretty clear.

    Again, i c/c the river just because i think you're gonna be betting thin enough and bluffing enough that it's better than leading. I just really find that bet-sizing strange given what i'm repping and i think your range is total polarized. Given that the bet kinda means, as a bluff, that you're trying to get me off two pair (and i don't think you'd do that), i really really just think you have a set.

    Definitely could not fold in the moment though.
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    Genitruc could have A7s/A4s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    Genitruc could have A7s/A4s.
    yeah maybe. I think my logical problem is that i wouldn't size my bet that way with A7 or A4 and therefore i don't think he would. But thats terrible logic.
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    But in general, if your reads are just "[gentiruc] is playing taggy (23/18/4) and a little more aggro than most (mainly by betting a little more when checked to in multi-way pots) and value-betting very thinly in HU pots." The river is a easy call and this was played really well.
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    Villain in the hand timed out and typed AJ and - based on history since then - I'm pretty sure he wasn't lying.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    wait, arent you the villain in this hand?
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  17. #17
    um yea

    u know what i mean...
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    so you got like air here and overbet the pot on the river cause there is just so little a nitty player would call a big bet on the river with that did not check-raise either the flop or the turn? So air or 5h6h.

    No doubt i would call in the moment but i think u played it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roel
    so you got like air here and overbet the pot on the river cause there is just so little a nitty player would call a big bet on the river with that did not check-raise either the flop or the turn? So air or 5h6h.

    No doubt i would call in the moment but i think u played it well.
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    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    i had and gasped when villain folded
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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