THE CARTOONS MUSLIMS ARE WILLING TO KILL FOR

[BankItDrew]

http://prorege-forum.com/forum_entry...HPSESSID=e1b11
enjoy!

post script: please keep in mind that the author of the article loves Christ and promotes him as the true Prince of Peace.

[mentheretard]

praise the lord

[will641]

yeah those fuckers are contaminating europe with their bullshit. its only a matter of time before they increase in numbers and start doing it here in america. i hear its getting bad in canada too right?

[will641]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

[jyms]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d3_1204939534

On a related note, not the same but the same, if you get my drift.

[will641]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d3_1204939534

On a related note, not the same but the same, if you get my drift.

yeah thsi is exactly what im talking about. they fucking push their bullshit religious views on every one else. GOD IT TILTS ME!!! (oops didnt mean to blasphemize, thats the death penalty).

[BennyLaRue]

i hear its getting bad in canada too right?

Non.

[shazbox]

i hear its getting bad in canada too right?

Non.

I haven't really heard much of anything anyway.


Have you seen the South Park episode when terrorists are going to kill everybody if Family Guy puts muhammad on tv? good stuff



i do remember hearing something about people wanting sharia law, but the courts were all like, ummm...no. and that was that.

[Lukie]

organized religion lol

[givememyleg]

yikes

[baron_greenback]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

No, that was just a stupid comment made by the Archbishop of Canterbury that was blown out of proportion.

[shazbox]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

No, that was just a stupid comment made by the Archbishop of Canterbury that was blown out of proportion.

...you only get the bad news in america.

[Warpe]

speaking of cartoons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mq31BlASHQ

[wesrman]

yeah those fuckers are contaminating europe with their bullshit. its only a matter of time before they increase in numbers and start doing it here in america. i hear its getting bad in canada too right?

HOW DARE YOU GUYS SAY THIS ! ! ! !
YOU HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT TO....just kidding lol.
Its a joke how people over react to this kind of shit.
They need to fuckin relax.
Its not like its hockey they are arguing about, its only religion.

[Pelion]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

Yeah that was kinda Kent's fault. Stupid archbishop.

Our bad

[BankItDrew]

Its not like its hockey they are arguing about, its only religion.

The problem I have is that decisions within government that are swayed due to faith have negative implications. In regards to sharia law, freedom of speech is the first thing that comes to mind. Religion has no stage on the political floor, let alone schools and textbooks.

[BankItDrew]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

Yeah that was kinda Kent's fault. Stupid archbishop.

Our bad

do your research first

the BBC Radio 4 programme Law in Action produced evidence yesterday that (sharia law) was being used by some Muslims as an alternative to English criminal law. Aydarus Yusuf, 29, a youth worker from Somalia, recalled a stabbing case that was decided by an unofficial Somali "court" sitting in Woolwich, south-east London.
2006/11/29

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nsharia29.xml

the archbishop was more succinct. He said it was a "matter of fact" that sharia law was already practised in Britain. "We already have in this country a number of situations in which the internal law of religious communities is recognised by the law of the land. Sharia law sets out a broad code of conduct for all aspects of life, from diet, wearing of the hijab to marriage and divorce.
The Guardian,
Friday February 8 2008

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...08/uk.religion

Forty percent of Muslims between aged 16 to 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in the UK, compared to only 17 percent of those over 55. Thirty-six percent of the younger group said a Muslim who converted to another religion should be "punished by death," while only 19 percent of the older group agreed.

January 31, 2007
world net daily

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54018

[will641]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

this is a really strong argument. ty for your contribution to the thread.

[Lukie]

Its not like its hockey they are arguing about, its only religion.

The problem I have is that decisions within government that are swayed due to faith have negative implications. In regards to sharia law, freedom of speech is the first thing that comes to mind. Religion has no stage on the political floor, let alone schools and textbooks.

QFT

[spoonitnow]

organized religion lol

Yeah, pretty much.

Idk, it sort of irritates me when quotes from the Quran (or other holy books) are taken out of context and bullshit ensues. FWIW, everything about "forcing their beliefs on others" that supposedly come from their holy book is an example of shit being taken out of context.

But then again so is the whole idea of Jihad, but people will believe what they are told to believe I suppose (referring to what we're told to believe about their beliefs).

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam (women's rights, humanity's rights, the concept of Jihad, the whole idea of forcing Islam on people, etc.) Islam is much more sensible than Christianity or Judaism for a number of reasons, but I'll let you discover those on your own if you choose.

The reality is that Islamic extremists have to cultivate an image of wanting to force things because that's the only way they can try to provoke a clash between these different parts of civilization. All of this bullshit over these cartoons are but one example of them trying to make the rest of the world believe that forcing their religion on people is a part of Islam, and attempts in legitimizing stupid bullshit.

A different but similar scenario would be someone like good ole Bill Frist using Biblical quotes to somehow justify the UIGEA. People like twisting religion for their own use, and we all know that.

Remember that dumbass chick who was part of that church that would hold up signs that said stuff like "God hates fags" at the funerals of soldiers? Wouldn't it be retarded to assume that since her little group of "Christians" are representative of Christianity? It's equally retarded to think that extremists of any group are representative of the whole, including Islam.

But on the other hand, we like to feel "bad" emotions like fear, anger, and hatred, and extremists [of any kind] know how to play to the media so that a message is passed on that brings those emotions out in us. It's easier to get pissed off at "them damn ragheads" than to learn what's really going on and act accordingly.

/rant

[will641]

organized religion lol

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam.

you have got to be joking right? Benazir Bhutto is a complete con. she was incredibly corrupt while in office. so since she is a muslim means she is some judge on how it should be interpreted? also it begs the question of its objectiveness since she is a muslim ex-president. i just cant think of a single person of importance i would read of book by in the middle east on the Qu'ran.

[spoonitnow]

organized religion lol

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam.

you have got to be joking right? Benazir Bhutto is a complete con. she was incredibly corrupt while in office. so since she is a muslim means she is some judge on how it should be interpreted? also it begs the question of its objectiveness since she is a muslim ex-president. i just cant think of a single person of importance i would read of book by in the middle east on the Qu'ran.

Imagine Renton wrote a post on conservative bankroll management in full ring. Should it be dismissed because he practices conservative bankroll management? Of course not. Should it be dismissed because he is a real asshole and a son-of-a-bitch and has done horrible things to a number of people in his lifetime (hypothetical, obv)? Of course not. Should I question it's objectivity since he's the moderator of the full ring forum? Of course not. Would you refuse to read his post because he could be considered a person of importance? Of course not.

You shouldn't judge any book that you haven't read for yourself. The book is not about the Quran.

[will641]

The reality is that Islamic extremists have to cultivate an image of wanting to force things because that's the only way they can try to provoke a clash between these different parts of civilization. All of this bullshit over these cartoons are but one example of them trying to make the rest of the world believe that forcing their religion on people is a part of Islam, and attempts in legitimizing stupid bullshit.

how about the example of the 2nd grade teacher letting her kids name the class teddy bear muhammed in sudan? how about the article that TJ posted? how about any fucking time something happens that offends them they take to the streets and say this "death to the infidels" and "we are the victims" bullshit.

Remember that dumbass chick who was part of that church that would hold up signs that said stuff like "God hates fags" at the funerals of soldiers? Wouldn't it be retarded to assume that since her little group of "Christians" are representative of Christianity? It's equally retarded to think that extremists of any group are representative of the whole, including Islam.

completely different. first of all, none of the normal christians completely denounce what they do. that is not the case with islam. also, these psycho baptists are much smaller in numbers than psycho muslims. and perhaps the biggest difference between the two, is that the baptists arent responsible for idk even how many, probably over 50k over the last decade.

[will641]

organized religion lol

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam.

you have got to be joking right? Benazir Bhutto is a complete con. she was incredibly corrupt while in office. so since she is a muslim means she is some judge on how it should be interpreted? also it begs the question of its objectiveness since she is a muslim ex-president. i just cant think of a single person of importance i would read of book by in the middle east on the Qu'ran.

Have you read it? Y/N/M?

no i havent, nor do i plan on. mainly because i just dont care what bhutto has to say. just like i wouldnt read a book by sean penn (if he had a book) about how good of a guy his buddy hugo chavez is, because i dont care what he has to say.

[spoonitnow]

organized religion lol

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam.

you have got to be joking right? Benazir Bhutto is a complete con. she was incredibly corrupt while in office. so since she is a muslim means she is some judge on how it should be interpreted? also it begs the question of its objectiveness since she is a muslim ex-president. i just cant think of a single person of importance i would read of book by in the middle east on the Qu'ran.

Have you read it? Y/N/M?

no i havent, nor do i plan on. mainly because i just dont care what bhutto has to say. just like i wouldnt read a book by sean penn (if he had a book) about how good of a guy his buddy hugo chavez is, because i dont care what he has to say.

Disregarding autonomy makes everyone look bad.

[shazbox]

Im not even really going to comment on this. Basically I agree with spoon, and a lot of you just sound like idiots.

And seriously, how many times have you heard anybody say 'death to the infidels'?

[spoonitnow]

The reality is that Islamic extremists have to cultivate an image of wanting to force things because that's the only way they can try to provoke a clash between these different parts of civilization. All of this bullshit over these cartoons are but one example of them trying to make the rest of the world believe that forcing their religion on people is a part of Islam, and attempts in legitimizing stupid bullshit.

how about the example of the 2nd grade teacher letting her kids name the class teddy bear muhammed in sudan? how about the article that TJ posted? how about any fucking time something happens that offends them they take to the streets and say this "death to the infidels" and "we are the victims" bullshit.

Remember that dumbass chick who was part of that church that would hold up signs that said stuff like "God hates fags" at the funerals of soldiers? Wouldn't it be retarded to assume that since her little group of "Christians" are representative of Christianity? It's equally retarded to think that extremists of any group are representative of the whole, including Islam.

completely different. first of all, none of the normal christians completely denounce what they do. that is not the case with islam. also, these psycho baptists are much smaller in numbers than psycho muslims. and perhaps the biggest difference between the two, is that the baptists arent responsible for idk even how many, probably over 50k over the last decade.

People who take something to an extreme are called extremists.

It is always incorrect to assume that one person or group or sect speaks for the whole, no matter the relative size, and there is no argument which can refute this because it is fact.

Over a period of 200 +/- years, Christians were responsible for 200k+ deaths which were mostly Jews and people of Islam. Dark ages and crusades are not fun, but that's what we get with organized religion.

[will641]

lol how is not caring what someone has to say disregarding autonomy? i just dont even understand what you are asserting.

[spoonitnow]

Im not even really going to comment on this. Basically I agree with spoon, and a lot of you just sound like idiots.

And seriously, how many times have you heard anybody say 'death to the infidels'?

The West's building tension with Islamic civilization provides great fodder for emotional outbursts from all sides, so to some degree borderline idiotic responses are expected from time to time (not referring to anyone in particular) although they aren't really acceptable. Anytime we let any emotion dictate any action we take it is a mistake.

I've seen it, but I have to wonder if people actually know what an infidel is.

Anyway, here's some food for thought. The Quran explains itself as another holy text to be put alongside the holy text of the Jews (old testament or whatever you want to call it) and the holy text of Christianity (new testament or however you want to say it).

[spoonitnow]

lol how is not caring what someone has to say disregarding autonomy? i just dont even understand what you are asserting.

When you disregard someone's professional work as insignificant without a pragmatic argument then you're asserting that they don't possess an ability to apply logic to their discipline(s) and communicate those thoughts in a way that is good enough for you to care about. It's also a crime against reasonable, rational, thinking people everywhere, imo.

[deacon_bluez]

For anyone who is really interested in learning more about this topic, I strongly recommend the book America Alone by Mark Steyn. It's a very quick, lively, and informative read.

For instance, did you know that Italians currently have a fertility rate of 1.2? That means each family is producing only 1.2 children, which is not even enough to sustain their population. These are Italians! Meanwhile, the current median age in the Gaza Strip is 15.8.

A pretty scary picture when you also think of the Paris suburbs of last summer. Lots of young, poor, and fanatic Muslims saying they want things their way.

[Ash256]

Ignorance sucks.





/thread :P

[will641]

i never said they dont have the right to write a book, i just said i wont read it because i dont care about what they have to say. and that my friend is freedom of speech.

[BankItDrew]

^^
It's important to have your own opinion and there is nothing wrong with not swaying from that opinion.

What is more important, is not shutting the doors on different ideas/opinions from others. It is necessary to continue dialog and information exchange between not only those who you agree with, but also the opposition.

[Pelion]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

this is a really strong argument. ty for your contribution to the thread.

I dont need an argument. I live in britain and i work alongside muslims and this is just nonsense.

[SaulPaul]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no, theyre really not.

Theres a few outspoken clegrymen(?) and alot of tripe tabloids (Daily Mail, Daily Express) that survive on peoples fears, (and underlying rasicsm).

Its a shame i wish u could be more honest in tabloid press; these cartoons are somewhat reasonable reflection of the worst parts of the islam culture, but obv u could never express these opinions in free press. Instead what u get is just BS zomg muslims banned xmas, immgrants are to blame for increase in mortgage rates that lead to diana's death. "u cant get an eduactaion; because theres IMMIGRANTS". not once, not once, is there EVER an article in either of those papers that explain that low earning immgrants pay 50% MORE tax than as british person. oh yeah ive gone on a way tangent . ps i hate the daily mail

[BankItDrew]

in britain, arent they pushing really hard for sharia law?

no? lol.

this is a really strong argument. ty for your contribution to the thread.

I dont need an argument. I live in britain and i work alongside muslims and this is just nonsense.

I worked alongside Muslims for a few years here in Canada until 12 months ago. They are great people. They are very good friends of mine.

Just like Christians, there are many Muslims who strongly feel that incorporating religious centered views upon society will be a good thing. Doing so, however, is not a good thing. The problem is that no two different beliefs on the same subject can be correct.

During the European monarchies in the past, religion closely entwined with politics. It was claimed by Kings and Queens that divine right gave them their position of power. Religion was a way to sustain that power and maintain control because even though their subjects might argue with decisions, they could not argue with those of a god. Religion in politics has always been about control by taking away the ability of the governed to question authority. When the U.S. government was formed, they already knew what happened when you had the state and the church as one so they prohibited this kind of relationship. This is exactly why Christians, Jewish, Muslims, Bhuddists, and militant atheists such as myself, need to keep our different religious beliefs out of parliament.

Prophet Muhammad once said, “What I fear most for my community is that a hypocrite who has a knowledgeable tongue but no wisdom in his heart will change the people with his eloquence and misguide them with his ignorance.”

This is the same fear that I am trying to express, but my fear extends to all religious fanatics, modern or traditional.

[BankItDrew]

immgrants are to blame for increase in mortgage rates that lead to diana's death. "u cant get an eduactaion; because theres IMMIGRANTS". not once, not once, is there EVER an article in either of those papers that explain that low earning immgrants pay 50% MORE tax than as british person.

Immigration is a completely different topic from the original post (so is religion within politics), but I'll give you my two short cents anyways: I am pro immigration with equal rights to everything. On a side note: I am pro cheap overseas labor (ie. sweatshops), so long as the work is voluntary.

[shazbox]

immgrants are to blame for increase in mortgage rates that lead to diana's death. "u cant get an eduactaion; because theres IMMIGRANTS". not once, not once, is there EVER an article in either of those papers that explain that low earning immgrants pay 50% MORE tax than as british person.

Immigration is a completely different topic from the original post (so is religion within politics), but I'll give you my two short cents anyways: I am pro immigration with equal rights to everything. On a side note: I am pro cheap overseas labor (ie. sweatshops), so long as the work is voluntary.

define voluntary? who would CHOSE to work in a sweatshop? maybe chose to because they have to to live, but i can't see anybody just deciding one day they wanna work a shitty job for hardly anything in return.

[DrivingDog]

I assume most of you are fairly intelligent and have stopped to think at some point that most issues are not black and white, that 'we' are not pure 'good' and 'they' are not pure 'evil', that what we are told by our government and parents and culture as a whole is not necessarily a basic truth of the universe.

Does anyone actually appreciate that every inhabitant of Earth is ridiculously simlar genetically and psychologically to every other one , that we all crave food and sex and influence and companionship, and that differences among humans arise from culture? That Muslims are not 'jealous' of democracy and freedom but that their motivation comes from being enculturated by national religious propaganda and that we have been enculturated in the same way to have different beliefs?

Think of it this way. if you grew up in Finland you would love Finland. If you grew up in China you would love China. Afganis and Saudis grew up in their country and love tbeir country and way of life, including Islam. Some of them feel so strongly about Islam that it upsets them greatly to see it derided or mocked. But because we grew up in America and love America (or Britain or Canada or Germany or whatever), should we think they are wrong to love their way of life and their spiritual teacings?

Or do we accept that we actually understand very little about other cultures, and that the best thing we can do is try to acquire an understanding before we try to formuate an opinion? Or would we rather take the easy route and mock others' views and cultures and put them down as 'crazy' because they are not like ours?

Intelligent people accept the contingincies of their views and try to understand (rather than ridicule) the views or others. Just saying 'those people are weird' does not help to foster a coooperative attitude among the world's inhabitants. Maybe that is as much our fault as theirs...

[BankItDrew]

^^^
You make a good point and I agree. It is of the highest importance to educate yourself on a topic before you begin to run your mouth on the subject. Then I read up on the Q'uran and found that it states that men are superior to women and that women's place should be limited to procreation, the kitchen and the home. It also states that homosexuals are unholy to Allah and should be condemned to death.

On one side, you could suggest that ones moral values are not 'better' than another. On the other, I think much of what is promoted in such teachings is utter bullshit and should be condemned from Earth.

define voluntary? who would CHOSE to work in a sweatshop? maybe chose to because they have to to live, but i can't see anybody just deciding one day they wanna work a shitty job for hardly anything in return.

Bolded.

Secondly, no one wants to work shitty jobs for little pay, but I'm willing to bet... actually no. I know about these so called 'slave-shops.' No one forces these workers to be there! The employees keep coming back because the production of these factories in their villages are bringing new hope.

Keep in mind where the money flow is coming from - out of country, into theirs. Sure, Americans are getting a great deal in outsourcing employment, but so many more people are helped this way.

[boost]

bank, you are very very wrong on the sweatshop industry as a whole. Im not saying it all is virtually slavery, but a decent segment of it definitely is. There are employment brokers who demand a fee upfront for job placement, transportation and immigration papers. These brokers vastly exaggerate what the pay will be and workers often find themselves making a net income of maybe a couple hundred dollars over a period they are contracted for that could last half a decade. When migrant workers come in under contracts like this in malaysia (I believe it was malaysia, I read about it a while ago) their passports can be taken by the company as collateral since they have paid the broker a finders fee. If the employee tries to leave they can be imprisoned. Even in places that dont take employees passports, once they have sold everything they own and paid the broker, they often have no means to get back home or even a home to return to.

[BankItDrew]

bank, you are very very wrong on the sweatshop industry as a whole.

I do not mean to generalize as I have no doubt that this sort of horrible act is taking place all over the world. I have nothing positive to say about what those terrible companies are doing.

I really should have left out the term 'sweat-shop' from my previous post and concentrated solely on the outsourcing of jobs that are run properly. Also, a company like Wal-Mart outsources work to South American countries but the buildings there are in poor shape compared those here in North America. There is no reason Wal-Mart cannot dump money into property management overseas as well.

My bottom line however, is that employees of these factories wake up every morning and decide to work for Wal-Mart. They are not being forced to. Every applicant applied for the position because they knew the position would benefit them. Sure, it might suck making shirts there compared to here in regards to working conditions, but these working conditions are far greater than the alternative (working out in the blazing sun, gathering wood, turning soil etc... all of which pay less).

Ironically, if you want conditions and wages to improve for these employees, I would recommend purchasing more of their products. As demand for these products increase - the attractiveness of low-income productivity overseas increases. Thus, driving wages up.

These are are the first signs of economic growth for these nations. Further explained here:

The Economics of Sweatshops
May 18, 2006 · 1 Comment

Often times, economists are asked about sweatshops. Individuals often assume that sweatshops are morally wrong and thus question why they exist. However, they are not morally wrong. In fact, sweatshops are actually one of the first positive signs of growth for those in developing countries.

Adam Smith taught us in The Wealth of Nations that two free individuals will only trade if they both perceive themselves as benefitting from the transaction. We know that a businessman would find it beneficial to pay workers a low wage. However, if the long hours of hard labor at low wages do not make the worker better off, why would they choose to work there?

It is hard to define a low wage. Americans often gasp at the wages for which those in developing countries are willing to work. A low wage by American standards does not necessarily deem it a low wage. One must analyze the wage by the standards in the country in which it is being paid. In the United States, $5 per hour would be deemed an unacceptable wage because it is below our minimum wage. Similarly, the citizens of the United States enjoy a higher standard of living. Those who are considered poor still drive cars and own televisions. However, in other countries this is not the case. In developing countries, the main concern is often food and shelter. When the standards of living are so low, the money can go a lot further.

We are often told horror stories of those in southeast Asia who are working for less than a dollar an hour to make tennis shoes. This often causes Marxist outrage. However, there is no need to worry. Individuals voluntarily choose to work in these environments. If the wages and conditions are so bad, why would anyone choose to work there? Often times they choose to do so because they have no better options. In other words, the job in a sweatshop is better than no job at all.

Sweatshops are also key signs of growth in developing nations. As more and more of these shops open, more and more individuals can find work. The competition for labor will continue to push wages higher. This increase in employment and wages causes the society as a whole to see in increase in the standard of living.

Individuals choose to work in sweatshops because it is better than the alternative.

http://everydayecon.wordpress.com/20...of-sweatshops/

It's very important to listen to all sides of the argument, as mentioned in a previous post. Which is why I urge you to read an alternate view at the bottom of the links page. Keep in mind, no one is promoting slavery. The word 'slavery' is truly a word of generalization when used alongside 'sweat-shop.'.

[bigred]

OH NOES, CARTOON MUSLIMS?!?!?!?!?!

[DrivingDog]

^^^
You make a good point and I agree. It is of the highest importance to educate yourself on a topic before you begin to run your mouth on the subject. Then I read up on the Q'uran and found that it states that men are superior to women and that women's place should be limited to procreation, the kitchen and the home. It also states that homosexuals are unholy to Allah and should be condemned to death.

Interesting. I had a little look, and here's what the Bible says about homosexuality:

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 )

...and about gender roles:

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
(Ephesians 5:21-24)

Pretty much the same, aren't they?

[will641]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...Y051QD903JAN80

guess there is no freedom of speech in france anymore? the thing that pisses me off about this, is that if someone bashed the pope, there wouldn't be a peep about it. gawd forbid someone offends muslims.

edit: these arent cartoons, but i couldnt really think of a more fitting thread for this, and didnt feel like creating a new one.

[Seabass]

Not realy sure what this thread realy is about. If it's about the cartoons, then imo it's something they will hafto live with. It might be illegal where they are but it's not where I live. Do all muslims want to kill due to it, obv not. Is it clever to burn flags and trying to tell people what to do from across the world, no. But doesnt that sound realy familiar? Like they got the idea of telling people what to do from across the world from somewhere?

Oh, and I love how the link goes to a nut.

Anyone here read Benazir Bhutto's Reconciliation yet? It's not a particularly long read, but I think it pretty decently clears up many of the common misconceptions about Islam (women's rights, humanity's rights, the concept of Jihad, the whole idea of forcing Islam on people, etc.) Islam is much more sensible than Christianity or Judaism for a number of reasons, but I'll let you discover those on your own if you choose.

Should I question it's objectivity since he's the moderator of the full ring forum?

So Benazir Bhutto wrote a book about how Islam is much more sensible, should we question the objectivity? Yes, I think that would be a good place to start.

The reality is that Islamic extremists have to cultivate an image of wanting to force things because that's the only way they can try to provoke a clash between these different parts of civilization. All of this bullshit over these cartoons are but one example of them trying to make the rest of the world believe that forcing their religion on people is a part of Islam, and attempts in legitimizing stupid bullshit.

how about the example of the 2nd grade teacher letting her kids name the class teddy bear muhammed in sudan? how about the article that TJ posted? how about any fucking time something happens that offends them they take to the streets and say this "death to the infidels" and "we are the victims" bullshit.

Remember that dumbass chick who was part of that church that would hold up signs that said stuff like "God hates fags" at the funerals of soldiers? Wouldn't it be retarded to assume that since her little group of "Christians" are representative of Christianity? It's equally retarded to think that extremists of any group are representative of the whole, including Islam.

completely different. first of all, none of the normal christians completely denounce what they do. that is not the case with islam. also, these psycho baptists are much smaller in numbers than psycho muslims. and perhaps the biggest difference between the two, is that the baptists arent responsible for idk even how many, probably over 50k over the last decade.

It's there nation, so dont go to Sudan and if you do, learn there laws. If it's about who have dont the most crap in the name of some lord, then christianity should win easy.

militant atheists such as myself

What's a militant atheist anyway?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...Y051QD903JAN80

guess there is no freedom of speech in france anymore? the thing that pisses me off about this, is that if someone bashed the pope, there wouldn't be a peep about it. gawd forbid someone offends muslims.

edit: these arent cartoons, but i couldnt really think of a more fitting thread for this, and didnt feel like creating a new one.

She's already been convicted four times for "inciting racial hatred". Thats against the law in more nations the France. "Bardot accused France's Muslim population of destroying France" and my guess is that she base that on 100% nothing.

[spoonitnow]

So Benazir Bhutto wrote a book about how Islam is much more sensible, should we question the objectivity? Yes, I think that would be a good place to start.

Be careful of trying to create assumptions based on taking peoples words out of context. I never said that she wrote a book about "how Islam is much more sensible." It is my personal opinion that Islam has a much more sensible belief system than Christianity, and without a good knowledge of each, you can't really participate in discussing my opinion.

[Seabass]

So Benazir Bhutto wrote a book about how Islam is much more sensible, should we question the objectivity? Yes, I think that would be a good place to start.

Be careful of trying to create assumptions based on taking peoples words out of context. I never said that she wrote a book about "how Islam is much more sensible." It is my personal opinion that Islam has a much more sensible belief system than Christianity, and without a good knowledge of each, you can't really participate in discussing my opinion.

It was not my intention to take anything out of context, I read it wrong as I didnt see that it where your personal opinion you where stating. I only noticed it now and thats my mistake , but I'm going to stand by the faqt that if I where to read it something I would keep in mind is how objective it realy is. Given who wrote it I dont think I'm out of line in doing so.

I'm an atheist so my interest in religious books are very limited. So my knowledge in the belief systems would be a reflection of that.

[will641]

im an atheist too, but i think religion is interesting, and worth knowing something about since its such a big influence on most people. lol at thinking the muslims have a more sensible belief system, whatever you mean by that. is it more sensible to have women walk around with a veil?

[BankItDrew]

militant atheists such as myself

What's a militant atheist anyway?

mil·i·tant [mil-i-tuhnt] –adjective
1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst) n.
1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Sort of ironic, combining these two words together. Seeing as atheists are supposed to be unorganized and passive. FWIW, I'm not vigorously active nor aggressive both within this subject or outside. I'll refer to a quote by will that explains it all for me:

im an atheist too, but i think religion is interesting, and worth knowing something about since its such a big influence on most people.

[wufwugy]

this thread is right next to 'multitabling questions blah balh' so as i was scimming i read

WHAT MULTITABLING MUSLIMS ARE WILLING TO KILL FOR

im like nooooooo

[spoonitnow]

this thread is right next to 'multitabling questions blah balh' so as i was scimming i read

WHAT MULTITABLING MUSLIMS ARE WILLING TO KILL FOR

im like nooooooo

I got a laugh out of this.