KQ vs. unknown oop, river line

[will641]

what is the optimal line here. comments on other streets welcome as well. my thinking here is c/f>block>anything else. although i think its close between blocking and c/f.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($43.75)
BB ($220.25)
UTG ($341.30)
Hero ($206.20)
CO ($208.35)
Button ($322.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, K.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($27) 5, 8, K (3 players)
Hero bets $20, CO folds, Button calls $20.

Turn: ($67) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $48, Button calls $48.

River: ($163) 7 (2 players)

[Irisheyes]

Read? I probably just shove but that may be bad.

[dalecooper]

Read? I probably just shove but that may be bad.

If you're planning on getting it in anyway wouldn't check/call be a better line on this board than a shove?

[will641]

Read? I probably just shove but that may be bad.

If you're planning on getting it in anyway wouldn't check/call be a better line on this board than a shove?

no, because hes not shoving KJ, or missed FD's here, and thats all we beat.

[griffey24]

It's impossible to answer this question without reads!

If he's a huge passive station I obviously bet for value, if he's an aggro player then I probably c/c. I think c/c could be good on this board because any/all mediocre hands that got there on river will see this as a good spot to bluff on the scare card.. especially missed flush draws.

[dalecooper]

Read? I probably just shove but that may be bad.

If you're planning on getting it in anyway wouldn't check/call be a better line on this board than a shove?

no, because hes not shoving KJ, or missed FD's here, and thats all we beat.

That was a direct response to the idea of shoving, which I think is not great at all. (I like a check/fold or blocking bet as the best general action here.)

I don't like a shove at all, but I think even if you lean toward shoving for some reason, check/call has to be better because the board will induce some bluffs from hands that you beat that might not otherwise put any more money in (including KJ, KT, JJ, TT, missed FD). I don't see the point at all of shoving because all the hands you beat are going to fold unless this guy is really, really bad; and given the action he's probably going to call you with most of the hands that beat you, because it would seem highly unlikely that you fired that many barrels with a hand that would have turned into a straight.

It's impossible to answer this question without reads!

If he's a huge passive station I obviously bet for value, if he's an aggro player then I probably c/c. I think c/c could be good on this board because any/all mediocre hands that got there on river will see this as a good spot to bluff on the scare card.. especially missed flush draws.

This.

[IowaSkinsFan]

ummm shove as a bluff seems okay but i default c/f.

[Deanglow]

I shove this almost every time but I can't tell you why tbh

[griffey24]

I shove this almost every time but I can't tell you why tbh

I like a shove here if your image is really bad/bluffy, because I think you'll get called here light if your image is bad.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

c/f

[griffey24]

We're c/fing because we put him on whatttt hand..... that flats two streets on a reasonably drawy board without raising... and suddenly bets this river?

I can't see what strong hand villain shows up with here really.

[Alexos]

bet bigger on turn, and c/f river
also i feel like he'll call u down with 67 a lot so even more reason to c/f

[Alexos]

Ok...

Against a standard unknown im pretty sure its safe to say C/F is best

Against ppl that like to bluff (implying u have a read), I can C/C too

I don't see much value in shoving though, as the most likely hands calling a shove that u beat are KT and KJ, and thats too narrow a range.

[Irisheyes]

We're c/fing because we put him on whatttt hand..... that flats two streets on a reasonably drawy board without raising... and suddenly bets this river?

I can't see what strong hand villain shows up with here really.

This is my issue, I just don't see many ways he gets to the river with a 9. He does get there with lots of Kx and FD's though. However I guess he won't call a shove with either of these things so c/f is the best line usually.

[griffey24]

Upon rethinking this hand, I think 67, 78 and 89 are all pretty likely hands to call two barrels on this board and now have us beat on this river.

Though I don't know if villain is good enough to shove 67/78 for value on this river on this board. If he IS good enough to shove these, then c/f is ok, but if he's not then I'd say his range is mostly missed draws/weak hands on river if he bets when checked to.

I think c/f bit > c/c but both are better than shove imo.

[will641]

there are a lot of misc. AcXc hands in his range. QcJc, AcQc, JcTc.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

He's just not bluffing enough here to c/c. The only missed draw is a FD that hasn't hit a pair or a straight and he may not even bluff it.