Bounce

[Irisheyes]

I just had an idea I want to bounce off a few of you guys,

There's a few regs in my games who fold a ton to 3bets. I would consider a ton to be 70% of the time plus. Anyways, I reraise these guys liberally with a polarized range. They fold a lot and sometimes we get it in preflop with AA vs KK or AK vs AK or whatever. Standard shit.

I got thinking though, I'm kinda wasting my monsters by reraising these guys because they fold preflop to my 3bets so much when I have QQ+, AK.. so what if I started flatting preflop IP with big hands and play postflop with deception. And I can still pick up lots of pots preflop by reraising them with J4s or whatever trash.

I thought about this more and then I realised that this plan would make their 4bets very effective (because I never shove over them) and this would bring down the EV of the overall strategy somewhat.

So, my new plan is to reraise them with trash and AA/KK/QQ/AQ etc and to flat AK to their raises in position. AK is not difficult to play postflop without initiative as long as I make some moves (I have 6 outs so no big deal). The major effect of this however is that when they 4bet me preflop and we get it in against their QQ+/AK range they think that they have big equity against my range when infact they are making a huge mistake because my 3bet/get it in range doesn't include AK.

Thoughts?

Sorry it turned out so long.

[gabe]

the reason you balance your range is because if they catch on, its easy to adapt. if you think they'll never catch on, then keep owning them

[Irisheyes]

Ok so to expand a little in a way that will help gabes WPP,

when people say shit like 'you need to balance your range there' that is correct and attempting the balancing thing will mean that I will be more profitale in that particular spot than if I was to only ever be value betting (or bluffing) every time the spot arose. YES/NO?

There is a particular frequency mixture between vale betting and bluffing at which my opponent is making a mistake whether he calls or folds? YES/NO?

Assuming the above is correct, although it would be impossible to bet with the exact frequency I refer to in my above question, the closer I can come to that theoretical value the more profitable I will be. YES/NO?

Even more profitable then betting with the perfect frequency would be if I was to value bet 100% of the time in a particular spot until my opponent chaught on to what was happening and at that exact instant I switch my strategy so that I am now bluffing 100% of the time in the aforementioned spot. When he catches on again I adjust again. YES/NO?

[Juked07]

Quick question about your last paragraph.. "when he catches on" means he plays correctly and probably stacks you once doesn't it? (Because catching on to a 100% bluff strategy means calling you down). Is this really what we want?

[Irisheyes]

Well the optimal thing would be for me to make my switch just before he decides to call me down. However that's an extremely difficult thing to do obviously. I guess if I get stacked once, adjust and then stack him more than once because he's still confused then I show a profit right?

[gabe]

theres a good thread on 2p2 about this.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ghlight=shania

what he doesnt consider in the original post is that we dont always know what our perceived range is, thats when its good to balance

[Irisheyes]

nice link gabe, dunno how I newer caught that thread before. I think I'm on the same page as you now.