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  1. 05-03-2008 12:49 PM #1
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    Default Goofy situation vs. short stack

    Sorry for lack of hand history - the hand converter just turns this into limit so I gave up on it. Situation: .25/.50 pot limit hold 'em. I am the button with more than a full stack and have everyone covered. I am dealt :Ad: :Jd:. The blinds post, UTG who has been sitting out posts and then checks, UTG+1 limps, CO folds. I raise to 2.50. Everyone folds to UTG+1, who re-raises to 7.50. He has just 8.00 behind. I push.

    No read on the short stack at all. What do you think his hand range is, and is this alright? I guessed that his range was kind of weird - a lot of pocket pairs, probably, and not sure what else.
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    I push as well. Indeed lots of PP's, which you are flipping with so it's +EV given the pot-stack ratio. If he's got anything else your equity goes way up.
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    Yeah its fine. Getting it in with a bad shorty preflop with a semi wide range is not usually going to be bad. Especially when he's got so little behind like here.



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    I have a question..

    Are we assuming that most shorties are donks? I thought that proper short stack strategy was supposed to run super taggy--fold everything but try to get it all in with premium hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juked07
    I have a question..

    Are we assuming that most shorties are donks? I thought that proper short stack strategy was supposed to run super taggy--fold everything but try to get it all in with premium hands.
    That is indeed proper short stack strategy, but most of them don't play it. Short stacks are generally awful at lower stakes.
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    Results: shorty had slightly better than I thought (JJ) but I spiked an ace on him anyway. (Gotta love his preflop action with that hand.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalecooper
    (Gotta love his preflop action with that hand.)
    JJ is a little weak for it, but I don't hate it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by dalecooper
    (Gotta love his preflop action with that hand.)
    JJ is a little weak for it, but I don't hate it.
    I could see it at a more aggro table (especially with QQ+) but this table was full of stations and weak/passives, and me - and I had just joined the table. Under the circumstances it seemed like he was turning his JJ into 22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juked07
    I have a question..

    Are we assuming that most shorties are donks? I thought that proper short stack strategy was supposed to run super taggy--fold everything but try to get it all in with premium hands.
    yes, the large majority of shorties are terrible. also, folding all but premiums is not proper short strategy.
    Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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