50NL - How the effff do I play AK

[Keilah]

Villain is 17/15 and I've never seem him get his stack in bad.

idk why I check/called the flop that's actually pretty stupid now I think of it. Anyways, on the turn I pick up the FD and now what? I've got just over a PSB left in my stack. Do I shove here? AA/KK will call and be ahead, AK may call or may fold, and QQ- I assume will fold.

Pokerstove says I'm right about even money if I shove and he always has AA/KK/AKs and will call. So I shove, or is there a more +EV line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($50.85)
Hero ($82.15)
MP2 ($66.85)
CO ($61.60)
Button ($53)
SB ($132.65)
BB ($24.20)
UTG ($54.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) K, T, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9.5, Hero calls $9.50.

Turn: ($31.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero ??

[daven]

fold pre.

[Keilah]

Thanks tips

[Fnord]

fold pre.

But it's s0000ted.

Check/call the turn.

[jimmy44]

fold pre.

But it's s0000ted.

Check/call the turn.

Agree!

[XTR1000]

If ur image is fairly aggro 4bet pre vs this guy

[badgers]

If ur image is fairly aggro 4bet pre vs this guy

6max is getting to your brainsssss!

[d0zer]

If ur image is fairly aggro 4bet pre vs this guy

I would do the same, regardless of my image.

A 15/17 could easily do this with hands he'd lay down a 4-bet to.

I hate flatting AK preflop.

[XTR1000]

Nah, I´m serious.

Assuming villian views us as somewhat aggro PFR>9, playing AK oop in a 3bet pot vs sane opponents means pain in the ass. Vs a 17/15´s 3betting range of 88+/AQ+/KQs we will end up so often in reverse implied situations that I hate calling here. A 4bet will get him off 88-JJ, which is great AND our 4bets aren´t KK+ exclusively anymore.

[badgers]

Nah, I´m serious.

Assuming villian views us as somewhat aggro PFR>9, playing AK oop in a 3bet pot vs sane opponents means pain in the ass. Vs a 17/15´s 3betting range of 88+/AQ+/KQs we will end up so often in reverse implied situations that I hate calling here. A 4bet will get him off 88-JJ, which is great AND our 4bets aren´t KK+ exclusively anymore.

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are we calling a shove? What if villain flats?

[Seabass]

Easy check call on the turn.

[XTR1000]

are we calling a shove? What if villain flats?

Depends on how likely villian is to 5bet shove AK. My default play is folding unless I know better. From what I´ve experienced any villians range for calling 4bets IP is largely read dependant, but the biggest part is usually QQ. Question is, if he´s the type of guy to flat KK+, given stats I doubt it.

[badgers]

If we're going to fold to a shove and we don't expect villain to call our 4bet very often with hands other than when it's to trap with AA/KK, wouldn't it be better to 4bet with the weaker hands in our range rather than AKs?

[dev]

If we 4-bet to like 18 and he pushes, we're getting almost 2:1, but I'd say it's a fold. Any more than that, we're committing ourselves.

I like the flat and I check/push or check/call the turn. If his post-flop AF is high, I push, if it's low I call and assume he can pay off that flush a majority of the time. If he checks back I'm probably check/calling any non-heart river to snap a bluff off.

[XTR1000]

If we're going to fold to a shove and we don't expect villain to call our 4bet very often with hands other than when it's to trap with AA/KK, wouldn't it be better to 4bet with the weaker hands in our range rather than AKs?

good point, I´ll get back to that tomorro coz im drunk now. i expect his calling range to contain not much beside QQ, i didnt say it was weightened towards KK/AA

[nutsinho]

check/all in turn because youre not going to c/f the river with so little behind and you want to realize your edge vs AK w/o a flush draw.

[Cocco_Bill]

check/all in turn because youre not going to c/f the river with so little behind and you want to realize your edge vs AK w/o a flush draw.

This is how competent mid stakes players will play it almost every time.

[Keilah]

So you figure the equity from my draw outweighs any FE I may have vs AK?

[Fnord]

So you figure the equity from my draw outweighs any FE I may have vs AK?

The hands you're ahead of have very few outs and I don't see you pushing him off AK very often.

[pokerfan]

How about we make a small donk/block bet and fold to a push on the turn? bad line? Given his stats and squeeze position, i prefer to 2.5x 4 bet/fold preflop cuz AK oop sucks a whole lot regardless of sooted or not.

[Keilah]

That line seems reasonable. What if he flats my 4bet?

[Fnord]

How about we make a small donk/block bet and fold to a push on the turn? bad line?

I people who run lines like this against me. Free money.

Save cute "where am I at lines" for the times when you don't have a lot of outs to beat AA.

[pokerfan]

i think a blocking bet is very effective vs many passive unskilled villains and some hands like AA, QQ, JJ might just call in this situation. Its not like i want to know "where am i standing" but we set the price for our nuts drawing hand.

How about we make a small donk/block bet and fold to a push on the turn? bad line?

I people who run lines like this against me. Free money.

Save cute "where am I at lines" for the times when you don't have a lot of outs to beat AA.

[pokerfan]

if he flats 4 bet, i stack off with TPTK and c/f on most unimproved flops.

That line seems reasonable. What if he flats my 4bet?

[aka_red]

.....seriously you cant figure this out?

[Keilah]

.....seriously you cant figure this out?

Thanks for posting, you're a cool guy.

[spoonitnow]

Do I shove here? AA/KK will call and be ahead, AK may call or may fold, and QQ- I assume will fold.

You kind of answer your own question?

Check/shove the turn imo.

[Keilah]

true enough.