2/4 200bb deep vs. laggy reg

[zook]

Villain is a 2p2'er, good regular that plays as high as 5/10. He runs 29/20/2 over a lot of hands and is an aggro 3bettor and seems to 4bet more than most. My notes say that he 4bet me twice 200bb deep in a previous session, I folded both times and he's already 4bet me once at this table and I've folded. So, I decided to call this time. Is pre-flop terrible? Flop plan?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $2/$4 - 5 players - Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1040.30
CO: $807.30
Hero: $800
SB: $499.80
BB: $140

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T A
UTG folds, CO raises to $14, Hero raises to $48, 2 folds, CO raises to $158, Hero calls.

Flop: T 2 7 ($322, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero...

[IowaSkinsFan]

As played id check but I don't tend to get out of hand preflop here, but it can't be too bad.

[nutsinho]

thats a huge 4bet...id just fold
and check back flop as played, what happens on the turn?

[zook]

thats a huge 4bet...id just fold

converter screwed up, fixed. still a big 4bet though.

[Alexos]

its actually a pretty standard 4bet size for 200bb deep...

PF is meh, i guess its ok its sooted cant be that bad against that guy. I check flop too.

[Toadstool]

I really dont like the pf call, A10s is just a hand that suffers from big reverse implied odds in a 4 bet pot, this deep i'd much rather be calling with a hand such as 10 9s, as I wouldn't really feel comfortable stacking off with A10 if I had less than top two.

On the flop - I dont mind a check behind as villain is likely drawing to 2 or 3 outs if he is behind and id rather try and see a showdown as cheap as possible in this situation. If you bet the flop and he wants to play then its almost surely going to be that he wants to play for 200BB's and your hand is not faring well against his range if he does.

[pocketfours]

Why are you raising this guy pre? I think you should go with polarized 3-bets and just call with hands that have good nut potential and are ahead of his range, like this one.

[zook]

Why are you raising this guy pre? I think you should go with polarized 3-bets and just call with hands that have good nut potential and are ahead of his range, like this one.

This is a good point and usually my strategy. I was a bit off my game today

So I bet $200 on the flop and he c/r'ed AI ($442 to call to win $1164)...

[will641]

Why are you raising this guy pre? I think you should go with polarized 3-bets and just call with hands that have good nut potential and are ahead of his range, like this one.

i really like this point. i feel like this is a big problem of mine. that is, 3 betting the wrong players with KQs, ATs, etc.

[nutsinho]

yeah i like calling ATs always unless you think you can induce something based on history/game flow. This new 4bet size does seem a lot more standard. I think that floating it is all right sometimes but I'm going to play the hand you flop pretty cautiously (I would shove if he bet but when he checks I think you need to check back). As played I think you should call because if youre not good you still usually have about 26% equity.

[Fnord]

($442 to call to win $1164)...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.287% 29.93% 00.36% 12299634 146956.50 { AsTs }
Hand 1: 69.713% 69.36% 00.36% 28501749 146956.50 { TT+ }

Given that his range is certainly wider, I think you're pot-stuck.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Is the opp Dr. Giggy?

[zook]

Is the opp Dr. Giggy?

No, gopher.

Results: I called he showed Tc6c. He bitched about how bad I played it and challenged me to HU I do think I butchered the hand.

[BigPapi]

you can't call if he just checked flop

[Deanglow]

I think the call preflop might be slightly losing, but if you are betting this flop you cannot fold.

[sauce123]

I think the call preflop might be slightly losing, but if you are betting this flop you cannot fold.

i was gonna say stuff but this is better and more succinct, bet/calling flop is probably ur best option given his line though and the pf action

[JL]

($442 to call to win $1164)...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.287% 29.93% 00.36% 12299634 146956.50 { AsTs }
Hand 1: 69.713% 69.36% 00.36% 28501749 146956.50 { TT+ }

Given that his range is certainly wider, I think you're pot-stuck.

This is for pre-flop. You forgot to add the flop.

Board: Td 2s 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.804% 21.80% 00.00% 4749 0.00 { AsTs }
Hand 1: 78.196% 78.20% 00.00% 17031 0.00 { TT+ }

[Genitruc]

wtf rigged equity calculation didn't include T6cc

[Deanglow]

I think the call preflop might be slightly losing, but if you are betting this flop you cannot fold.

i was gonna say stuff but this is better and more succinct, bet/calling flop is probably ur best option given his line though and the pf action

I also think between checking flop with SD value/for deception/whatever and bet/calling that b/c is better.

[Alexos]

wtf rigged equity calculation didn't include 23o !!

[bigred]

Is the opp Dr. Giggy?

No, gopher.

Results: I called he showed Tc6c. He bitched about how bad I played it and challenged me to HU I do think I butchered the hand.

Because calling with T6s is a good play? (Serious question, pinch of sarcasm))

[griffey24]

Is the opp Dr. Giggy?

No, gopher.

Results: I called he showed Tc6c. He bitched about how bad I played it and challenged me to HU I do think I butchered the hand.

Because calling with T6s is a good play? (Serious question, pinch of sarcasm))

He shoved with T6s, he didn't call with it. So I don't think his play is that bad either. Puts a lot of midpairs and stuff in a crap spot.

Zook - what's the worst pair you're betting here?You bet calling like 88, or A7?

[zook]

Zook - what's the worst pair you're betting here?You bet calling like 88, or A7?

I like A7 a lot better than 88. 88 needs a lot of overcard bluffs in his range to be a +EV call, A7 not as many. I probably don't call with either pre, but I shouldn't have called with ATs...

[bigred]

Is the opp Dr. Giggy?

No, gopher.

Results: I called he showed Tc6c. He bitched about how bad I played it and challenged me to HU I do think I butchered the hand.

Because calling with T6s is a good play? (Serious question, pinch of sarcasm))

He shoved with T6s, he didn't call with it. So I don't think his play is that bad either. Puts a lot of midpairs and stuff in a crap spot.

Zook - what's the worst pair you're betting here?You bet calling like 88, or A7?

It's a good pf call though?

[griffey24]

It's a good pf call though?

He 4-bet T6s preflop, and didn't call the 4-bet! I think his 4-bet is fine, given that hero was being aggressive or getting out of line.

hero is the one that called the 4-bet.

[The Odds God]

Pf call is slightly bad, not terrible. I would check flop.