PT3 vs. HM?

[bode]

so, who's using what, which is better, and which has the brighter future? ive been using the trial version (and beta before) of PT3 and its starting to piss me off with all or the lag issues, even just 6 tabling. Is HM the same way? I know this isnt the right forum for this, but this forum gets more traffic and this is the group of players i want input from anyway.

Thanks in advance.

[bode]

also i assume that stats/filters wise they are probably similar, but let me know if thats not true also.

[BigPapi]

I use HM for a couple of weeks now and so far it's great. I doubt there really is much difference between the 2 though.

Everything is adjustable to fit your own preference; fonts/size/colours
stats
position of hud
popup info

I doubt there is something you cant adjust.

Have no experience playing more then 6 tables with it though, but mostly with 4 and it's pretty ideal I think. You could try the first 5k of hands for free and see for yourself. I have no experience with PT3 so cant compare them

[allabout]

I've been using it for a month or two now and I think it would be hard to beat. But I've never used PT3 so I can't compare. Its got its issues as any new software does, but one thing I like is if you post something on the forum (suggestions, bugs etc) the creator and programmer will answer your posts directly and if its something they can do they will add it in the next update. I don't know if PT3 is that responsive or not, but poker office definitely was not. I think it has a 3 day free trial (maybe 10 days can't remember), so its definitely worth it. If you have specific questions let me know.

[kmind]

I love HM and from everyone I have talked to they prefer it over PT3. Haven't tried PT3 but I know a TON of people switched to HM. No lag at all. Great choice imo.

[jyms]

Just got HM about a month ago and I am loving it. There is some learning pains since it is so much different but once you adapt to the different program and find all the goodies it is a dream. Wish I never heard of PT

[Cocco_Bill]

I cant get HM to work, all the HU dispaly stats are corrpted. I get negative values for VPIP and most other parameters are missing, so I gave up trying for now. Only problem is that Pokeracehud has also stopped working due to temporary server problems according to their reply to my e-mail.

[EzDuzIt]

I cant get HM to work, all the HU dispaly stats are corrpted. I get negative values for VPIP and most other parameters are missing, so I gave up trying for now. Only problem is that Pokeracehud has also stopped working due to temporary server problems according to their reply to my e-mail.

set date back to 25th on your computer, start pahud, set date back to correct date. and it will work.

[Alexos]

i like HM and wont switch to PT3 in the foreseeable future

[will641]

ive never even heard of HM.

[meeloche]

ive never even heard of HM.

Neither have I.

Poker Tracker 2 ftw?

[mixchange]

Im trying HM as PT3 has been a pain in the ass. Starting a new table sometimes lags it for a second, even worse if you open a couple at once.

I love it in principle and when its working. But it also crashes around once every 2 hours I do 9-12 table though.

[jyms]

I've never hadd lag issues nor any crashes yet, since buying last month. i have heard it's a problem if the stats are separated from their groupings and ran individually and when multitabling more than about 6-8. The built in filters for analyzing play and the active player window are just great. I am getting a third monitor just for the active player window to be up on a screen.

[jimmy44]

Guys, is HM Holdem Memory?

Edit: It cannot be that seems a lowsy program ...

[BigPapi]

Holdem Manager

[bode]

so it seems like the majority like HM better right now. Assuming it has a trial period, i think i'll download it this weekend and try it out before i make a purchase of either.

thanks for the input.

[bjsaust]

PaHUD worked for me again today. They're doing some kind of slow user by user fix on their server, so just keep trying.

That said, I'm done with PT. I'll be buying Holdem Manager in the next few days I'd say.

[allabout]

Im trying HM as PT3 has been a pain in the ass. Starting a new table sometimes lags it for a second, even worse if you open a couple at once.

I love it in principle and when its working. But it also crashes around once every 2 hours I do 9-12 table though.

I also 12 table but haven't had a problem with it yet. I think maybe some sites have more problem then others. (I mostly play stars)

[griffey24]

Wow... I haven't switched over to HM yet, but after reading this thread I'm definitely considering it!

Now I know why Alexos is owning me at the tables lately... it's all making sense.

[Muzzard]

PT is working fine for me 16tabling, no lag. Maybe its your computers?

It has crashed, but only twice and I think I've put in around 35k hands or so since I purchased.

I have a dual core/2gb ram.

[jimmy44]

Holdem Manager

Thanks!

Actually, I'm still using PT2. I downloaded Holdem Manager and it seems very nice, it's bloody fast also! I'll keep with the trial and evaluate afterwards.

The thing I hated on PT3 is the installation instructions are almost non existent and you have to find out by yourself ...

[mixchange]

Im trying HM as PT3 has been a pain in the ass. Starting a new table sometimes lags it for a second, even worse if you open a couple at once.

I love it in principle and when its working. But it also crashes around once every 2 hours I do 9-12 table though.

I also 12 table but haven't had a problem with it yet. I think maybe some sites have more problem then others. (I mostly play stars)

How many hands have you played? I sometimes get up to 15 tables but 10-12 is more the norm. I also play stars. I have XP w/ a 128mb vid card, quad core 2.4 processor. What do you have? How many hands have you played lately?
Also, how many hands do you play before restarting PT or rebooting?
I usually play around 3K in a session, and sometimes I don't restart my machine for a few days.

[will641]

is there anyway to just see all your hadns from the most you won in a pot to the most you lost in a pot like in PT2?

like in PT2 you could just go to game notes, and hit get all, then organize it from biggest to smallest. i can only go by which hands were the biggest winners/losers, so it ends up taking way longer.

btw i apologize in advance for that not making much sense.

[allabout]

[quote="mixchange"]

Im trying HM as PT3 has been a pain in the ass. Starting a new table sometimes lags it for a second, even worse if you open a couple at once.

I love it in principle and when its working. But it also crashes around once every 2 hours I do 9-12 table though.

I also 12 table but haven't had a problem with it yet. I think maybe some sites have more problem then others. (I mostly play stars)

How many hands have you played?

I have 220k hands in my db but I think someone here on FTR said they had over a million with no problems.

I sometimes get up to 15 tables but 10-12 is more the norm. I also play stars. I have XP w/ a 128mb vid card, quad core 2.4 processor. What do you have?

XP Pentium 3.0

How many hands have you played lately?

about 40-50k/month, a normal session is 3-5k

Also, how many hands do you play before restarting PT or rebooting? I usually play around 3K in a session, and sometimes I don't restart my machine for a few days.

I hardly ever shut down or restart my computer.

Make sure you have the latest version also, they update it a lot. GL

(edit: I'm talking about HEM not PT3)

[jyms]

is there anyway to just see all your hadns from the most you won in a pot to the most you lost in a pot like in PT2?

like in PT2 you could just go to game notes, and hit get all, then organize it from biggest to smallest. i can only go by which hands were the biggest winners/losers, so it ends up taking way longer.

btw i apologize in advance for that not making much sense.

Will, you will be dumbfounded with the filtering capabilities of HM. And yes you can filter by game tabs.

Here's a few

[bode]

is there anyway to just see all your hadns from the most you won in a pot to the most you lost in a pot like in PT2?

like in PT2 you could just go to game notes, and hit get all, then organize it from biggest to smallest. i can only go by which hands were the biggest winners/losers, so it ends up taking way longer.

btw i apologize in advance for that not making much sense.

you basically have to make a custom report under the reports tab. I was looking for this also, so i just made a report and used the same info that PT2 has in the game notes tab.

also, lol jyms at blocking out your limits

[mixchange]

Oh. I was complaining PT3 had crashed a bunch and lagged a bit.

It shouldn't do so on my quadcore cpu w/ 128mb graphics card. I have tons of free memory and cpu cycles.

the 'lag' thing is maybe something only people using tables that overlap would notice, as it "steals" a window for a second.

I am buying Hold 'em manager.The EV thing is cool and the HUD is more stable and doesn't 'window steal'.

I may end up buying both as I like both for diff reasons.

[will641]

yeah pt3 has crashed a bunch for me too! its pissing me off.

jyms, thanks, but i dont really buy a new thing right now. i just spent $90 on this damn thing.

[badgers]

anyone tried or heard about the capabilities of HM on 16-24 tables?

[mixchange]

most i've used is 12 so far, but im sure i will get up to 15 soon. it seems rock solid. try it!

[Robb]

I've never hadd lag issues nor any crashes yet, since buying last month. i have heard it's a problem if the stats are separated from their groupings and ran individually and when multitabling more than about 6-8. The built in filters for analyzing play and the active player window are just great. I am getting a third monitor just for the active player window to be up on a screen.

Got a screen shot of the "active player window?"

BTW, I'm almost sold - checked out site, and HM is only $55 for the low stakes version which includes full functionality plus HUD - just won't allow any limits higher than 50nl. That's less than I'll have to pay to get PT3 (when and if they add my poker rooms) even with my previous purchaser discount. And I will admit that PT2 was a great thing, in it's day. But I'm ready for the next generation.

I'm pretty certain I'm dl'ing HM demo and checking it out, maybe this weekend. Thanks Jyms.

[Da GOAT]

i hate HM. on ly bcoz im too stupid to fucking install it. why does pc shit need to be so fucking complex.

[jimmy44]

i hate HM. on ly bcoz im too stupid to fucking install it. why does pc shit need to be so fucking complex.

Wait until you try to install PT3

[bode]

i hate HM. on ly bcoz im too stupid to fucking install it. why does pc shit need to be so fucking complex.

Wait until you try to install PT3

wait, how is PT3 hard to install at all? i downloaded it from the site, clicked next like 10 times and it was done.

also, last night was the first time i had PT3 crash on me in about 10k hands worth of using it.

[jyms]

If you had SQL installed on PT2 it was probably easier. You need SQL on both now. This is where some are having problems. Add Vista and many are just lost.

[jimmy44]

If you had SQL installed on PT2 it was probably easier. You need SQL on both now. This is where some are having problems. Add Vista and many are just lost.

These 2 things are really the issue!
I just bought a new PC 1 month ago with Vista (unfortunately) and good luck to properly set up PostgreSQL & PT3 without instructions!

Actually, HM has a nice wizard on how to install PostgreSQL and I was easily able to install everything.
Plus I don't know why, but PT3 was importing hands at a rate of 6-9/s while HM is doing it 70/s, don't ask me why.

[Robb]

PT3 was importing hands at a rate of 6-9/s while HM is doing it 70/s, don't ask me why.

PT says they import slowly in "game play" mode so that the imports can happen transparently in the background and not mess up your poker software by stealing too much of its bandwidth. They have a fast import speed that matches HM, but you have to set PT to the right mode.

All that said, I'm probably going for HM soon, and not bothering with PT3.

[jyms]

Got a screen shot of the "active player window?"

Sorry forgot about this.

[Da GOAT]

IM LOST

[badgers]

apparently a big rewrite of the HUD has taken place and the new build of PT3 will be released soon. I hope it's good...

[Robb]

Got a screen shot of the "active player window?"

Sorry forgot about this.

Holy mother of god!!

Jyms, I thought you were just being dramatic - I need a separate monitor for the active player window.

Jeez!! sorry to doubt you. vnh.

[Muzzard]

PT3 build 12 seems more stable as far as I can tell so far

[will641]

anyone know how to work pokerev with pt3?

[Muzzard]

anyone know how to work pokerev with pt3?

It doesn't work. PokerEV are releasing a new build which, as they say on their website, will be a competetor to PT3 and HM etc etc. It'll be a paid thing, they say it'll be better than everything else..... not sure about that. But what a do know is the original pokerev will only work with pt2 databases.

[Smith]

Jyms

I have all that on my HUD, and what you don't see comes up in a popup when you put the mouse over a number (not pictured oops)

I'm sticking with PT3 until proven something is better. I have no crash issues or lag issues etc...

Bad picture quality for some reason

(alt+p)

[bjsaust]

Thats some amazing HUD there....


I had some issues with setting HM up last night, but as a developer I'm picky about such things. Still getting used to it, but it seems good enough to go with.

[bode]

Jyms

I have all that on my HUD, and what you don't see comes up in a popup when you put the mouse over a number (not pictured oops)

I'm sticking with PT3 until proven something is better. I have no crash issues or lag issues etc...

Bad picture quality for some reason

(alt+p)

overkill much?

[bode]

after trying both out, i think im going to stick with PT3. The new build is much more stable, and it seems like PT3 will have all the bells and whistles that HM has now at some point in the future. idk, HM is nice, but i like the familiarity of PT.

[Robb]

Bode, I'm a pretty loyal customer so I would in general like to stick with PT. So, thanks for your post. But HM has some advantages:

1. Price for micros ($15 - 30, depending on how long you've owned PT2 and PAHUD)
2. HM supports more poker sites right now.

I may wait a few weeks and see what PT3 looks like as the finish debugging, adding features and start adding sites. But I think HM is in my future.

[bode]

Bode, I'm a pretty loyal customer so I would in general like to stick with PT. So, thanks for your post. But HM has some advantages:

1. Price for micros ($15 - 30, depending on how long you've owned PT2 and PAHUD)
2. HM supports more poker sites right now.

I may wait a few weeks and see what PT3 looks like as the finish debugging, adding features and start adding sites. But I think HM is in my future.

those are nice advantages for sure, but i play 50nl/100nl only at stars, so neither apply to me directly.