qq...fold to 4 bet shove?

[AnTman_69]

GAME #1011360826: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2008-06-04 10:49:52
Table Kloof
Seat 1: skele701 ($49.80 in chips)
Seat 3: AnTman89 ($50.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: ZEON212 ($82.85 in chips)
Seat 6: sltan ($50.00 in chips)
ZEON212: Post SB $0.25
sltan: Post BB $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AnTman89 [Qs Qc]
skele701: Raise (NF) $2.00
'Hero': Raise (NF) $6.50
ZEON212: Fold
sltan: Fold
skele701: Raise (NF) $49.80 all in
AnTman89: Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.05 Rake $0.00
skele701: wins $57.05

This is my 3rd hand at the table. No reads/stats. Standard fold? Or the opposite.

[minSim]

I fold as well because generally at these stakes this is AA/KK and sometimes AK, rarely JJ-.

You don't have stats or reads so you have to assume he's the stakes standard to which this is a fold.

[JL]

This hand all depends on what you think the typical unknown player will do at these stakes.

If you put him on this range, it is a call:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 164644764 5675268.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 183588540 5675268.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

Sometimes unknowns will show up with AQ/TT here, which would make this even more of a call.

[JL]

Even if you put him on just QQ+, AKo, AKs, this is still just barely a losing play.

It's never going to be terrible getting it in preflop with QQ.

[langaan]

felting QQ is all read dependant. It all depends on what you think he is capable of felting, and what you think the villain beleives you will felt with.

lots of tags/nits at these stakes will only felt KK/AA, but there are some out there who will insta shove A10s because they think having an ace is the nutz, and a suited one OMG they are dying to get it in.

its a fold most of the time, but if you have any reads that vill is loose enough to felt 1010, AQ+ then its a call...

ie:
I 4bet shoved QQ to a fish last night and lost to his KQo.

sucked losing the hand, but I can only hope that I find that same guy tonight.

[AnTman_69]

It's never going to be terrible getting it in preflop with QQ

^
Thanx..that helps..for those times that i have been stacked with qq.

I think i make a good fold by luck. Villain played super tight for the next 50 or so hands. Hooray.