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[freechus9]

Villain is 23/18/7

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($98.75)
Button ($64.55)
SB ($56.80)
BB ($28.15)
UTG ($128.60)
MP ($54.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, MP calls $4.50.

Flop: ($12.75) J, J, 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP raises to $48.15, Hero calls $38.15.

Turn: ($109.05) 2 (2 players)

River: ($109.05) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $109.05

[jyms]

Villain is 23/18/7

If this is your read you can look at pokerstove to decide if this was a good play or not. Why are you posting it?


PREFLOP
It depends

ON THE FLOP
Board: Jd Jc 6d
it depends

[lolzzz_321]

pretty sure his range is narrowed when he calls the 3bet, and gets narrower when he shoves the flop

[DJJunkPauds]

Jyms: WTF? You think villain does this with every single one of those hands every single time? And come to think of it, why do you give him that range at all?

I don't know about calling this. I'd base that decision on game-flow or whatever you want to call it. It kind of depends on what mood he's in, and what mood he thinks you're in/your general table image. It doesn't really make sense for him to do this with a Jack. He might be thinking you're either definitely calling with your overpair, and doesn't want to let QQ get scared of an overcard. Seems unlikely though, because if I were him with a Jack in this spot, I'd be well aware that you could also have a bunch other crap that folds 100% of the time, but might check through the turn, and then bluff the river again. I'd also know that you might fold aces every once in a while, but would stack off on the turn if I stay passive. I'd also want you catch a pair with AK/AQ. That's me though, maybe *he* would do this with a Jack a lot, but it's impossible for me (and I reckon anyone else) to glean this from 3 vague HUD stats - hence why "game-flow".

I probably call, and shrug if I got it in bad.

[nutsinho]

i would call instantly

[Deanglow]

i would call instantly

[noble007]

Super tough hand actually I definitely wouldn't call instantly.
Shove raising the flop is a donkey move, ignoring his aggressiveness for the moment his stats are 23/17 so he aint no donkey and if u havent been 3betting light a decent player cant expect u 2 lay down an overpair in this spot.
Looks like a decent player who is representing a flush draw when he actually has a jack or AA.
But just because hes so aggressive and if I didnt have any other proof besides his stats that he was a thinking player yet I would tank and call here.

[badgers]

jyms I'm pretty sure you need to put AdKd instead of AKs otherwise it just counts all AKs which seems daft.

[jyms]

I wasn't giving the range. We all know the range narrows. I was trying to show that we can do any of this with pokerstove. With nothing to go on but his preflop stats there is no reason to post the hand. Maybe we could talk about the range, but seriously are we going to spend 20 posts into a thread discussing anything when even the OP hasn't come back to add to the conversation. Ya have to stop hand feeding these silly little posts and get to the meat of the discussion. the villain has a AF of 7 so lets start there. Over how many hands? What have we seen him showdown in raised or 3 bet pots? What is our image? What has the table dynamic been?

Come on, it's $50NL and the hand is basic. Can we discuss something that may help.

[jyms]

Edited my first post for correct posting procedures

[freechus9]

Oi relax. I'm new at assigning ppl ranges and such so that's why I post to get your feedback. Chill son.

[noble007]

"we can do any of this with pokerstove. With nothing to go on but his preflop stats there is no reason to post the hand. Come on, it's $50NL and the hand is basic" - lol

Dont be put off & keep posting freechus, alot of the time you will only have preflop stats over a smallish sample to go on when making a decision for all your chips.

(Obviously any decision in poker comes down to assigning a player a range which you can pokerstove but what range individuals come up with in a situation and why can be critically different even when given limited information & jyms inclusion of questionable hands in his original range assesment just goes to show this. I think the fact that you can see value and an opportunity to improve by posting & questioning hands others may dismiss as basic bodes well for you as a poker player. GL)

[jyms]

Noble? Freechus is not new here. This is not a noob being berated and he's not leaving because of something I said. The man has 830+ posts, I don't think I'm wrong here in that he is, or should be much farther ahead in his poker progress then preflop stats as a read.

[noble007]

fair point.

[bode]

Noble? Freechus is not new here. This is not a noob being berated and he's not leaving because of something I said. The man has 830+ posts, I don't think I'm wrong here in that he is, or should be much farther ahead in his poker progress then preflop stats as a read.

since he didnt include it, we dont know if this is over 15 hands or 300. give it a rest.

[griffey24]

I agree with jyms in that it depends.

How often have you been 3betting him? how often has he called OOP? etc etc

I insta call this as well, as I'd expect most overpairs to be 4-betting pre, but again that is another read.

The fact that there are diamonds and that he's repping like so little, makes this more of an insta call.

[freechus9]

Well if it helps I don't have much of a read other than PF stats since a) I multitable many tables so I sacrifice better reads in exchange for a higher winrate and b) I think OPP is fairly new..I don't know how many hands this is over as I checked his stats after I was done with my session, so this could have been when I had only a few hands on him or when I had many many hands on him. I can't give a read if I don't have one..

Then this brings up another point. How do you multitablers find a way to get better reads? Do you just not play as many tables? I hear people saying they play the most tables they can without messing up. I do that, and it seems almost impossible to get solid reads on more than a few people.