Squeeze getting played back at

[Silly String]

What are you all doing in the absence of note/reads in 3bet pots versus the following villains:

You have been dealt JJ in a blind:
Assume effective stacks ~100BB; Caller OTB or in SB is TAG who you know is mainly calling with mid-low PPs and SC's or AQ/KJs+ type hands; Your image is 22/18 TAG and you have been 3betting AQs+, TT+, some SCs, and the occasional junk IP.

2 folds, CO raises 3-4x, BU/SB calls, Hero 3bets to 15-16x, CO pushes, Hero???

Now what are you doing versus a 35/11 type CO raiser?
What about a 24/20 TAG?

What if villains above 4bet to 34-36x?

[bjsaust]

Folds.

People dont play back at squeezes, they get in with their monsters with a smile on their face.

[Fnord]

Against most players I just flat here pre-flop.

[bjsaust]

Was just coming back to say similar. Since we'd fold to a 4-bet (and I think we should), we've essentially turned JJ into a bluff by 3-betting.

[edit]Not quite. I guess its somewhat for value since we may be flatted by smaller PPs or other stuff, but kinda done that.

[Fnord]

It's not just the 3-bet the blows away worse hands, your flop c-bet is also going to greatly tighten the range that gets to showdown.

I like a call intending to play medium pot unimproved and a monster if you catch a set. Also, don't be shy about picking off a c-bet.

[nutsinho]

uhhh what stakes are we talking

[Deanglow]

at 1/2+ with a non-nit image just get it in pre

[Silly String]

uhhh what stakes are we talking

I play .5/1NL.

[minSim]

I'd 3bet/fold...because:
1. 3bet calling ranges are usually wide at my stakes (50NL) and 4bet ranges veryvery tight.
2. I'm far from comfortable playing JJ OOP against 2 opponents, I'm quite sure I'm not playing it good enough in that situation to yield more profit than 3bet/folding.

I used to call because I thought I more or less turned my jacks into a bluff, but reason 2 made me stop doing that.


But it's mostly preflop reasoning, and no doubt there's important postflop aspects on the decision that are usually overlooked / too complex for most to figure out.

I am really interested in the 'cbet tightening showdown ranges' part of you Fnord.