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    Default 100NL, QQ facing river decision vs a regular

    villain is a decent multitabling regular running 14/11/3. Is there any 3 street value for my QQ on the river? c/c, c/f or b/f ??
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    Button ($100.50)
    SB ($98.50)
    BB ($169.55)
    Hero (UTG) ($98.50)
    UTG+1 ($98.50)
    MP1 ($48.70)
    MP2 ($199.60)
    CO ($89)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
    Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds

    Flop: ($17.50) 6, 3, 10 (4 players)
    Hero bets $12, 2 folds, Button calls $12

    Turn: ($41.50) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $26, Button calls $26

    River: ($93.50) 2 (2 players)
    Hero ??
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    Any history between you? Any gameflow information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Any history between you? Any gameflow information?
    no history, i just knew he raised a lot preflop. We were both multitabling at the moment.
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    c/f and shove are the two lines I'd consider. Probably c/f.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Any history between you? Any gameflow information?
    no history, i just knew he raised a lot preflop. We were both multitabling at the moment.
    since when was 11% pfr known as raising a lot?
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    I like C/F on this.
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    I check call a decent river bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
    I check call a decent river bet.
    Why do you think he's betting a worse hand? bet - bet - check SCREAMS I HAVE SHOWDOWN VALUE. Also "TAggs" particulary the full ring nit sub-species don't value bet worse hands here often enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
    I check call a decent river bet.
    Why do you think he's betting a worse hand? bet - bet - check SCREAMS I HAVE SHOWDOWN VALUE. Also "TAggs" particulary the full ring nit sub-species don't value bet worse hands here often enough.
    Agreed. Most our very happy to check behind when checked to.
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    I wasnt really thinking along the lines that hed value bet worse, but rather hed turn his missed draw into a bluff. Reading the villains description, i.e. taggy multitabling reg, maybe i was hasty in just saying check call, against a donkish player it would be different but against this guy I guess check/fold to a decent bet is the best line.
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    so we shove vs a donkish player and c/f vs a mulitabling regular, right?
    I dont think i'd c/c a big river bet from a decent TA regular when the pot is massive already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
    I wasnt really thinking along the lines that hed value bet worse, but rather hed turn his missed draw into a bluff.
    How much of his range has a draw here? How often is he playing his draw faster on the flop? How often is he bruffing the river into a hand that probably has showdown value? The union of those 3 events is pretty low.
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    genius posts fnord, good analysis
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    fnord good posts. even players without much of a clue arent going to bluff much when turn and river come {innocuous board pair, offsuit deuce}
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