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    Default KK preflop big pot

    This is my third hand at the table (just paid two blinds and now on the button). I have no stats or reads on the other players involved. May not be a whole lot to comment about this hand, but posting it here just in case.

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    saw flop

    MP1 ($50)
    MP2 ($117.55)
    MP3 ($19)
    CO ($18.75)
    Hero (Button) ($49.25)
    SB ($39.85)
    BB ($49)
    UTG ($10.25)
    UTG+1 ($20.60)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
    2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $26, 1 fold, Hero raises to $49.25 (All-In), MP1 ...

    A few basic questions.

    Do I get more value if I raise less (or even more) when it first gets to me after two callers?

    Do I get more value if I call his re-raise instead of pushing all-in?

    With no reads or stats (i.e. this case), does an average person at these stakes have AA often enough that I should consider folding here? (I can't imagine so, just want to confirm though).
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    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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    secksy 4bet size by villain, does anyone at FR under 400nl try to play well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    what reads?
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    perfect imo, nice 3bet size also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    what reads?
    these ones:

    Quote Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
    This is my third hand at the table (just paid two blinds and now on the button). I have no stats or reads on the other players involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    What the hell? There's nothing particularly unusual about this hand. We 3-bet and got 4-bet. If you're ever going to fold KK preflop with no reads, it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet, is that really what you're saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    What the hell? There's nothing particularly unusual about this hand. We 3-bet and got 4-bet. If you're ever going to fold KK preflop with no reads, it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet, is that really what you're saying?
    I think you just repeated yourself: We 3-bet and got 4-bet; it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet.

    I have never folded KK after I have 4bet, only after being 4bet after my 3bet.
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    i don't get why you'd flat call half your stack, just shove

    you cannot fold this

    your 3bet size isn't very good, you should go a bit bigger to like 8
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    make squeezes at least 4x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanglow
    make squeezes at least 4x
    squeeze more often?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Quote Originally Posted by Deanglow
    make squeezes at least 4x
    squeeze more often?
    yeah but the main problem is that you are making it easy for the coldcaller to flat profitably with a wider range

    the 3bet size isn't a huge mistake if it is one at all, since you are on the button anyways. 8$ just happens to be a bit more optimal for your whole range of hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - then don't 3-bet here.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
    this is what the bot is saying imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
    wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet.
    haha, I really don't know why this thread is still going

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