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  1. #1

    Default Some 3bet check up's please

    All these hands are from the same session. I'm running pretty aggro, 25/19/4 with a 3bet of 9%. My image reflects this and I can tell people are noticing.

    Hand 1)
    Villain opens 20% of hands from this position and has a fold to 3bet of 56%.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($364.30)
    CO ($838.65)
    Hero (BTN) ($411.20)
    SB ($802.35)
    BB ($1333.43)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    UTG calls $4, CO raises to $16, Hero raises to $40, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $24

    Flop: ($90, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($90, 2 players)
    CO bets $44, Hero folds

    Hand 2) Villain is 29/17/2.6 and I've been picking on him a lot this session. His FT3bet is 52%. If you even bet here what cards do you double? If you check, can you see a way to take the pot away later?

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($308.20)
    CO ($531.40)
    SB ($414.70)
    BB ($501.60)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is
    1 fold, CO raises to $14, Hero raises to $44, 2 folds, CO calls $30

    Flop: ($94, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero ($428.75)?

    Hand 3)
    Same villain as hand 2

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($762.05)
    CO ($860.50)
    Hero (BTN) ($394.00)
    SB ($493.90)
    BB ($373.70)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    UTG raises to $14, CO calls $14, Hero raises to $52, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $38

    Flop: ($124, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $70, CO calls $70

    Turn: ($264, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero checks

    River: ($264, 2 players)
    CO bets $136, Hero folds


    Hand 4)
    Been picking on this guy a lot also. He's 28/24/5. His FT3bet is 50%.
    Bets on turn and river should probably be smaller to make the river bigger but other than that is this ok?

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($98.10)
    CO ($1708.60)
    Hero ($517.40)
    SB ($1725.30)
    BB ($1074.25)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is
    1 fold, CO raises to $16, Hero raises to $44, 2 folds, CO calls $28

    Flop: ($94, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $62, CO calls $62

    Turn: ($218, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $121, CO calls $121

    River: ($460, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero goes all-in $290.40,
  2. #2
    I'll give my thoughts, take them with a grain of salt because I suck in 3bet pots;

    1- I don't really get your 3bet size if you're 3betting a lot. Postflop I play the same.

    2- Any ideas on differences in his calling range IP and OOP. I think a cbet is profitable.

    3- What are UTG's stats? Can villain have JJ/QQ?
    In general preflop is marginal imo, I rather call UTG raises with QQ+ than 3bet them with more bluffs. Could be just preference, or I could be just wrong.
    I think postflop is fine.

    4- I don't know because I'm quite lost on the ranges. In general I think villain has a J a lot and won't fold it.
  3. #3
    hand 1 - yah I like a check through here, we're getting shipped a lot I feel like

    hand 2 - I would bet here, I think he will put you on overs+straight draw type cards a lot here (that will call a shove) so I'm not too worried about getting shoved light here if he expects you to call

    hand 3 - The sizing is really tough in this hand. Even though there's a caller pre, I still like a little smaller squeeze given we're IP. I would bet smaller on the flop, so that I have room for a half pot turn and still a reasonable river shove.

    hand 4 - Depends how he would perceive this flush card. If he views it as polarizing your range to nuts or air I don't like it. If he views it as another scare card, then it's ok.
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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    hand 3 - The sizing is really tough in this hand. Even though there's a caller pre, I still like a little smaller squeeze given we're IP. I would bet smaller on the flop, so that I have room for a half pot turn and still a reasonable river shove.
    How about bigger on flop and shove turns? I don't really see much from his preflop range that folds to 3 barrels but not to 2. Does anyone have an estimation of his preflop range?

    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    hand 4 - Depends how he would perceive this flush card. If he views it as polarizing your range to nuts or air I don't like it. If he views it as another scare card, then it's ok.
    hmm yeah I didn't think about it like that really. Not sure how he will view it.
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    1) yea, although i prefer 48 pre because i like to 3-bet with really garbagey hands, obviously if u are tending to 3-bet with linear value type hands as your range then 40 is better

    2) hmmm, delayed ceeb? a bet is prob unprofitable in a vac, so i would go with a scheme that involves checking to start, although often i would just give up completely

    3) i think i'd go just a bit larger pre, 1bb should do it. if u believe your chances of getting checkshoved are low i could see betting 144 on turn, otherwise check, obviously fold or shove river as bluff

    4) i think this one is fine as long as you keep control of your range on the river. Like i would only take this line with clubs and thats it, value the rest of the way.

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