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    Default Operation: HarleyGuys Big Grind

    Ok a little back ground on myself which may help you understand where I'm at in the whole process. I started playing around with online poker about 4 years ago on Party Poker for play money. I thought I was learning there but now I realize other than learning the very basics of the game ie; hand rankings, game differences etc. not much else was beneficial. I did pick up some poor habits there, but fortunately they weren't deeply ingrained.
    I made my first real money deposit on Absolute Poker and pretty much just played with NO direction at all. Didn't really win anything and really didn't care I just wanted to stretch it out as long as possible. I looked at it as if I could play for a week or maybe a month then hell that is pretty cheap entertainment. I lost the initial deposit after about 45 days. Then I tried going back and playing fake money. Well I instantly realized I absolutely hated it after having played for real money. I sat around for a long time without playing online. I live about 25 miles from Spirit Mountain Casino and drove out there a few times and played in some cheap tourneys but never ITM. Had some limited success at the ring games but when I say limited I mean very limited and I did not have the bankroll to support playing 1/3 on the occasion they had that low of stakes and really couldn’t afford 3/6.
    Well I’ve just been itching to play online so I decided to make another deposit. As you all know I had lost all confidence in Absolute Poker so I looked around and ended up at Full Tilt. Now unfortunately as I mentioned earlier I’d been playing with no direction and had no knowledge and didn’t have Spoons “Quick-Fix American Guide to Bonuses and Rakeback for Newbies” to give me direction! Well I piddled around and had ups and downs but nothing consistent.
    Then I found FlopTurnRiver.com. I started reading like a maniac and asking a few questions and I have seen some success. I’m still not consistently winning but I have maintained. I’ve not had to make a deposit since finding FTR and have actually built my BR slightly. I had right around $50 give or take when I stumbled on to FTR and as of this writing I have $128.82. There have been a few times when I thought I was going broke but I worked it out.
    This brings us to now. I’m still at FT and I really think I should transfer over to PS but right now I don’t have the money to just make another deposit and it sounds like it will take about days to get my money out of FT and I really don’t want to be out of the game that long. (Opinions would be appreciated??)
    According to OPR my stats for tournaments are as follows:

    HU/STT/MTT Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM
    Heads-Up 2 player $1,172 $3 0% $5 2 0% 129/239 54%
    Single Table 3-10 $948 <$0 -20% $4 9 0% 104/330 32%
    Multi Table 11-45 $290 $40 16% $4 28 0% 15/56 27%
    Multi Table 46-180 $75 <$0 -61% $8 136 8% 2/25 8%
    Multi Table 181- $523 $321 159% $4 338 28% 7/47 15%
    $3,008 $14 0% $4 35 2% 257/697 37%

    Not until recently have I spent any time at ring games. I don’t really have stats on my ring game play other than what I might be able to pull off of HEM which I have only just recently downloaded it and am using the 14day trial.
    So I plan on following “Noobie's First 5k Hands of NL10” as my guide. I’ll be trying to spend as much time studying as I do playing. My goal is to build my bankroll to $2500 and I hope to do this by June 30th and then I’ll re-evaluate and set new goals.
    For those of you who have bothered to read this long drawn out opener I truly hope you will take the time to follow my journey and yes along the way be brutally honest with me as I know I have much to learn. If you will do this I will promise to take the advice given and utilize it where I can. I won’t be arguing with you although I may at times debate and ask you to elaborate.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  2. #2
    Good luck Harley. I've never played on Full Tilt, but I heard they don't have the cheap games like Stars. If that's the case then you should transfer over. Cash out part of your roll then deposit it on Stars. If you can spare the $50 or $100 just deposit into Stars then cash out fully from Full Tilt. It wouldn't be that long until you were able to replace the funds. The partial cash out is the safe move though.

    Good luck again!
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    look at all the history!

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    Didn't play a lot today but I managed to sit for about three hours total. I sat down to a $3+$0.3 MTT with the intention of being ultra tight which I was. Unfortionately I picked up a great starter got my chips in and it wasn't meant to be.
    Then went heads up for $2 and played well for about twenty minutes. The problem was the guy drove me out of my fucking mind. I think he had just read a book or something that talked about timing tells because he waited for everyting until he got his warning and then he'd call or what ever. I finally figured I hated him so damn much I would just mail him the god damn two bucks if I could get away from his asss. Anyhow I pushed with a PP and he got me..THANK GOD, I JUST WANTED AWAY.
    So then I sate down for a FR 10nl. 3 tables most of the time. Here are a couple hands I'd like some feed back on. I had been ultra tight playing 15/5, villian wasn't anything crazy and really hadn't made much of an impression.

    1) Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($8.60)
    MP2 ($10)
    CO ($17.10)
    Hero (Button) ($7.65)
    BB ($7)
    UTG ($3.80)
    UTG+1 ($2.25)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
    4 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1) 9, J, Q (2 players)
    CO bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.15, CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $7.20 (All-In), CO calls $3.20

    Turn: ($15.40) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($15.40) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $15.40 | Rake: $1.50

    __________________________________________________ ___
    Don't really have but like one orbit so very little info for this one


    2) Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 ($8.40)
    MP1 ($9.85)
    MP2 ($2.10)
    MP3 ($22)
    Hero (CO) ($10.25)
    SB ($8.10)
    BB ($5.95)
    UTG ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
    1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.35, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds

    Flop: ($1.20) 5, 5, J (3 players)
    UTG+1 bets $0.60, 1 fold, Hero ??

    Total pot: $1.20 | Rake: $0.10


    Well ended the session down a little do to being stacked off one full BI. I made some recovery but not all of it.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Hey got a question. How come after I run a hand through the hand converter and follow the link to the conversion I see the hand with full size cards but when I cut and past it comes out with just the symbles?

    Another question. Would somebody tell me how to turn off the HUD on HEM. I play on my laptop and when I open multible tables it's very congested and I'd like to temporarily turn HUD off until I need to peak at it. Can this be done?
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Oh just a little cooler to share. Villian not real active and hadn't been at the table long enough to get a read on him.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 ($6.30)
    MP1 ($9.20)
    MP2 ($2)
    MP3 ($5)
    Hero (CO) ($13.55)
    Button ($3.45)
    SB ($5.15)
    BB ($18.65)
    UTG ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
    4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.45

    Flop: ($1.25) A, 8, 5 (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.95) Q (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.95) 6 (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $1.95 | Rake: $0.15
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
    My goal is to build my bankroll to $2500 and I hope to do this by June 30th and then I’ll re-evaluate and set new goals.
    this is achievable and realistic. Go to it. Re-assess end March. Hands get erratic comment in op threads, for advice post the hands in beginner circle forum.

    Did you manage to sign up to FT with rakeback, guessing probably not. I recommend getting to stars somehow and working towards clearing the first deposit bonus.

    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
    n. Would somebody tell me how to turn off the HUD on HEM. I
    HUD options - uncheck "Launch HUD with AutoImport"
  8. #8
    I'd switch to stars ASAP if you're playing 10NL cash games. FT's rake is almost double that of stars at the lower levels so your winrate will suffer a lot due to that. At 25NL rake becomes tolerable at FT. Also, are you playing full ring? If that's your thing and you like it stick with it, but consider that you can make more money at 6max. Most player's winrates are much higher at 6max due to the extra amount of hands played. Just something to keep in mind.
  9. #9
    Wow I'm really feeling some frustration. I must have a leak that I am not identifying cuz I just can't seem to get ahead on a ring game. I play very tight and build up 1/2-2/3 BI and then inevitable something goes wrong. I'm at work right now so I don't have any hands to post but wow am I frustrated!
    I'll go a little more into detail when I have time and am at home.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    post some big hands you have lost, that will be a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
    Wow I'm really feeling some frustration. I must have a leak that I am not identifying cuz I just can't seem to get ahead on a ring game. I play very tight and build up 1/2-2/3 BI and then inevitable something goes wrong. I'm at work right now so I don't have any hands to post but wow am I frustrated!
    I'll go a little more into detail when I have time and am at home.
    Make sure you have position on the players that can damage your stack if you're deep, and play more IO type hands against the deep stacks. Don't want to be coin flipping for deep stacks.
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    Make sure you have position on the players that can damage your stack if you're deep, and play more IO type hands against the deep stacks. Don't want to be coin flipping for deep stacks.
    This is probably one of my biggest leaks now that you mention it. I tend to play a hands the same reqardless of postition. I will work on being aware of my postion more.
    I've taken a couple days off cuz works been busy and I just felt like it just couldn't hurt to get my head clear. I'd been playing alot and really not getting enough sleep cuz I wanted to get as many hands in as possible. So I'd work 10-12 hours then come home and play until 1 am or so.
    So now I've given things a lot of thought and am considering focusing on SnG's in order to build my bank roll. I typically do well at them and also get ITM often on MTT. So my thoughts are maybe to strickly play $2 SnG's and $1 & $2 MTT until I build BR upto $250. Damn I just don't know what to do. I feel like I"m really going to struggle grinding on FR tables right now.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Don't throw in the towel with FR dude. I think at the low stakes it is definitely the easier way to make money. Maybe just take a break. A proper break I mean, not a couple of days off during which you do nothing but think about poker and your losses. I know I've not taken a long enough break until I've gone through that stage and then had a few days where I don't think about poker at all. THAT'S a break.
  14. #14
    OK so I think alot of my problem has been self inflicted, ie: Under rolled for what I was playing. So I bit the bullet transferred $100 out of FT and onto PS. Now I think I can play with a little clearer head and focus on improving my game.
    FYI, I've been playing about 20 minutes at a 2nl and I am up almost 2.5BI's.
    I am having troubles getting HEM to work not sure what that is about? I went in and thougt I set it up but not working yet. I'll play with it a little longer before I start begging for help.
    So I guess the operation is basically the same I've just changed the playing field and the bank roll starts over at $100.

    WISH ME LUCK!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  15. #15
    Well so far I am enjoying PS. I feel much better not having to worry so much about my BR. I played way to long yesterday as we were frozen in so I sat all day. I ended up loosing a little over 2BI's.
    So far today I have played very tagg and it's paying off. I'm taking a break for a couple hours then I will sit down and play for a couple more hours. I've earned back most of what I lost yesterday so my hopes are to get a little ahead with my second session this afternoon. I'm really trying to focus and folllow "Noobie's First 5k Hands of NL10" although I'm doing it at 2nl instead. I stuck to it 100% in this mornings session and didn't have one ugly race or any of my usual bullshit situations I tend to create. The few times I really wanted to step out and play something outside of the outline I would have lost.
    Well BR sits at $99.76 so I'll have a little work to do but I should be ahead this evening if I can keep my head out of my ass!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  16. #16
    Wow today has been a great run. As I stated earlier I lost a couple BI's yesterday and started building it back this morning. Well I just stepped away from my afternoon session and I must say DAMN I PLAYED GOOOD! Right off the get go I had AK,AK,AA then QQ. It was sweeeet and I kept my head in it and didn't play anything outside of my planned session. I honestly can only think of one hand were I went to the river and lost, and that was a tptk to set.
    I got all the chips in several times although I had most of them covered but still made some bank.

    Todays starting BR $95.70 Current BR $112.24
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  17. #17
    Well I played around a little last night. Made some really stupid moves, got lucky a few times, managed to do a few things right and over all ended up down 1.5 BI's. I played mutliple tables cascaded for the first time, always tiled before. Some of the guys on IRC told me how much better it was and I must say after the learning curve of about 15 minutes I do like it better. I started off with 3 tables then 4 and so on until I was at 7. My comfort level really is about 4 tables for now. I couldn't keep up with what was going on and found myself just playing my cards in a robort type fashion which I don't believe will help me at this point.
    My plan for tonight it going to be study rather than play. I'm going to watch a couple of Bigspenda's micro stake videos and do some reading. Probably will be to late to play after that cuz I know I suck even more when I am tired. I think the priority needs to be study over play right now.

    I'm in the office right now but if I recall correctly the bankroll is sitting at around $110.00
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    I stuck to my plan for the most part and did some studying. Work was so fucking slow I actually watched a couple videos at work then more once I got home.
    After watching Bigspenda's vids on micro grinding I got the itch to take a run at 6M. I played 4 tables for about an hour. I was really amazed at how much more aggressive the tables were. It kinda took me by suprise and I probably played a little to nitty but I felt that was safest. A couple times I tried to open up more but I could tell it was out of my comfort level so I pulled back and TAGGED along. Made some good pots including doubling up on the second hand of the first table when my set mining paid off well. I also lost a full stack once as well. Overall I finished up down $1.25 but I was ok with that.
    My jury is still out as to weather I like 6M better at this point or not. I'm leaning towards thinking FR might be better for me right now as I am so early in my learning curve. I'd really like to hear some opinions on this if you could. What do you think is a better learning enviorment 6M or FR?
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Check this out. I got it from Spoon.

    http://fullringbastard.wordpress.com...-preflop-play/
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    Well I played 995 hands today which is a shit load for me. Been snowed in for a couple days now so not much else to do. Today was a good day overall. I started out on 2nl and pretty much played two tables. Had IRC open and some of the guys thought I might as well move up to 5nl since I can efford to BankRoll it myself. I did move up and again played two tables pretty damn tight. To be honest it was pretty boring and the tempation to get involved in more hands was getting to me. Well I read the wesrman linked to me and opened up a little in the right way. I also asked around and decided to try more tables. For the last two hours I had 6 tables going and the cards where hitting pretty good. I found that do to the need to keep up with the tables it was a lot easier to get away from things like AK if they didn't hit and I was faced with a big raise post flop. Well I ended the day up $8.21. I'm pretty happy with it as it brings the bankroll back up to almost it's highest of $112, now at $111.02.
    Going to stay with 5nl and see how it goes. I've received mixed opinions so please share yours. My theory is there is very little difference between 2nl and 5nl and since I can efford it then what the hell since the potential payoff is better the grind should go better if I keep it on the upswing. Let me know what you think please!

    Starting BankRoll $102.81 ending $111.02
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
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  21. #21
    GJ, if you think you're good enough for 5NL then 20BI is more than enough
    My blog/operation where ill gladly discuss all my poker thoughts/hands etc, all welcome: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...os-192003.html

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  22. #22
    Ok so I know the secret to 5nl. Wake up real fucking early and catch all the fish you can eat!

    So we've had snow coming out our asses for a week now, and that is very unusual here in Oregon. So yesterday the power goes out around 6:30pm and the power company has no idea why or when they'll get it back on. So we end up going to bed real early which is not my usual. I typically go to bed around midnite-1am. So I wake up bright eyed at like 3:15 and can't get back to sleep. Luckily the power was back on. So the wife gets tired of me kicking and flopping around so she kicks me out.
    So I hit the poker room and holy shit was it nice. I opened up 6 6m 5nl tables and was off and running. The cards started coming my way immediately and I played really smart. I utilized some of the info I gained from reading the article wesrman linked on my OP and it really helped. I'm convinced that by playing more tables it keeps me from getting to bored and playing poor hands. Well I played for about 3 hours and started with $112 and ended with $135.45.
    Will probably get another couple hours in later but I have to get shit done around the place. Damn it really cold out and tons of snow...YUCK!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Oh my fucking god. So the holidays really weren't to good for me as far as poker goes. I was snowed in for days which really was nice as far as the BR goes. I ground my ass off for many hours and built it up quite nicely. I played a few hands on christmas eve and ended with the BR at $145. Kids came over and while my oldest son the chef cooked an amazing dinner I cracked open the bottle of very nice wine. Well it didn't last to long so of course there was more wine were that come from so had another and so on. After dinner and some time visiting with the boys everybody headed out and that left me with more time to play poker.
    Well all I can say is I will NEVER again play whilest I'm waisted. I woke up Christmas morning and the BR was at $105. I went back through HEM and reviewed the drunk session. I just couldn't make my dumbass get away from second best hands. I lost two stacks that the villian was a total dumbass and hit the river and another where I was just to damn stupid to admit I was beat and villian played me like a fiddle. I can only hope had I been sober I would have recognized some of these situations.
    So now I am basically starting over which is so depressing to me. I've logged just under 10k hands and am only $5 ahead of where I started. I would have been happy had I been able to say I doubled my bankroll in 10k hands but no my drunk ass twin fucked that all up. I've decided to take a break for two days before I continue my grind.....
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Sorry to hear about the festive drunk-poker episode. Some time off may help so ya not pist off about it while your playing.
    Also, Apart from the poker episode, it sounds like you had a great xmas!


    keep grinding away and good luck .
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    So the wife gets tired of me kicking and flopping around so she kicks me out.
    [/quote]

    THis made me laugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
    Damn it really cold out and tons of snow...YUCK!
    Jealous!
  26. #26
    I posted this same in BC. Really looking for any advice I can get??

    Ok so I don't know if there is much to be learned from this sampling or not but if so please let me have it. I started off at 2nl then moved up to 5nl at about the 4k hand mark. Things went well until I got really fucked up on x-mas eve and played a little drunk poker. I took some time off and then when I came back I moved back down to 2nl for the last 1630 hands which is where I built it back up a little.
    If there is other more helpful info I can pull off of HEM please give me some suggestions. If this has been a total waste of your time I apologize.



    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    You seem like you`re going to end up being a solid player just judging by your attitude.

    Dunno what to make of your stats, I haven`t played FR in ages. It looks like you have a pretty sizable gap between your VPIP and your PFR. This tends to indicate you`re limping too much preflop.


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
  28. #28
    OK well it's been awhile since I've written at all. I went on a several day down swing and have now been climbing back up.
    I did make a discovery tonight. I NEVER get to play on Saturday nights as we tend to go out every weekend with some friends. Well tonight we didn't so I was able to sit down and get a about 400 hands in. OMG what a gold mine! I won about 6 BI's until I found myself in a tough spot and lost a big share of what I had won.
    Nothing really amazing to write about but I will post a few hands.

    Villian is a maniac running 75/13/25 although very small sampling.

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG AApageAA ($3.37)
    UTG+1 ehsan_ace ($4.95)
    MP1 xiximaris ($1.18)
    MP2 margie823 ($1.22)
    MP3 gottgabgas ($0.68)
    CO RKurzie ($0.64)
    BTN TexasNana24 ($0.50)
    SB Hero ($2.07)
    BB FlWayne1029 ($4.80)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is SB
    AApageAA calls $0.02, 2 folds, margie823 calls $0.02, 1 fold, RKurzie calls $0.02, TexasNana24 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, AApageAA folds, margie823 calls $0.10, RKurzie folds, TexasNana24 folds

    Flop: ($0.32, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.28, margie823 calls $0.28

    Turn: ($0.88, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.82, margie823 goes all-in $0.82

    River: ($2.52, 2 players)



    Again villian is 60/20 but not much history on him.

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Mistique85 ($1.14)
    UTG+1 ehsan_ace ($5.16)
    MP1 Bludjix ($5.20)
    MP2 José Luise ($2.93)
    MP3 SY27 ($1.45)
    CO sunhong365 ($2.75)
    BTN ecait08 ($2.83)
    SB ku12 ($3.08)
    BB Hero ($2.33)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is BB
    3 folds, José Luise calls $0.02, SY27 raises to $0.04, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, José Luise folds, SY27 calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.23, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, SY27 calls $0.22

    Turn: ($0.67, 2 players)
    Hero checks, SY27 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.70, SY27 calls $0.40

    River: ($2.07, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.72, SY27 goes all-in $0.43


    final villian on this hand isn't as crazy (28/4/5) as the others so I gave him some respect. I'm really curious about what comments there maybe here? Should I have stayed in? Playing with PokerStove after the fact I find I'm a 68% favorite after the flop if I put him on 22+, any suited broadways or any suited period. Damn I fucked up didn't I?

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    7 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($2.00)
    UTG+1 Thraxer ($8.68)
    MP michaellux ($1.57)
    CO fernanda1976 ($4.75)
    BTN Langer29 ($1.49)
    SB levi@th@n ($0.92)
    BB Pero1982 ($2.56)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 7 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, michaellux calls $0.08, 1 fold, Langer29 calls $0.08, levi@th@n calls $0.07, Pero1982 calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.40, 5 players)
    levi@th@n bets $0.14, Pero1982 calls $0.14, Hero raises to $0.34, 2 folds, levi@th@n goes all-in $0.84, Pero1982 folds, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $1.22

    levi@th@n wins $1.67 ( won +$0.75 )
    Hero lost -$0.42
    michaellux lost -$0.08
    Langer29 lost -$0.08
    Pero1982 lost -$0.22

    OK if you would plz tear me up! I wanna hear what you have to say that can help me improve my game.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  29. #29
    Hand 1 - Fine. I don't really understand why you posted this one. If the villain you described here has a 6 or straight, his getting my money all the time. Think about his range. KK is way ahead and looks like a no brainer.

    Hand 2 - Make your life easier and either fold pre or call the minraise and hope to flop a monster. 3betting here with ATo out of position against a maniac or general 2NL loose players can not be profitable.

    Hand 3 - "Playing with PokerStove after the fact I find I'm a 68% favorite after the flop if I put him on 22+, any suited broadways or any suited period. Damn I fucked up didn't I? "

    Wat....? Thats the range you put him on after he 3bets you on the flop with a caller in between? There are five people to the flop. On a wet board like that just give up. Heads up with a good read that villain is spewy is one thing but 5 handed with a caller in between and 2 more to act after you, you should fold. Also if you raise there, raise higher but fold fold fold there. Also work on your hand reading skills. When someone 3bets you there on the flop their range is not 22+, any suited broadway, and suited connectors. That might have been their PF calling range since they are blind and so many callers, but based on the flop action their range narrows down more.

    Your thinking about your game and working on it which is the most important part. Good luck on your operation!
  30. #30
    I posted in the beg. circle thread, however, here's one more:

    you know there's a button on the left you can click, right?
  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    I posted in the beg. circle thread, however, here's one more:

    you know there's a button on the left you can click, right?
    haha still cracking me up spenda
  32. #32
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    KK hand is fine, I woulda raised a little more with that many limpes.
    ATo not a good hand to be playing OOP.
    Last hand Board is very coordinated, I fold here. I think the most you can hope for is a split pot if the T shows up
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  33. #33
    Well obviously I haven't written in awhile and I don't really have much time right now. I have been working on my game and have made progress in some areas but I can't say my bankroll reflects it. Got down to $80 the other day and am working my way back up.
    I really have to thank all the regs on IRC as they tolerate all my stupid questions throughout my sessions. They are such a source of info and help me get on track. They must feeel like special ed teachers while dealing with my dumbazzz.
    Going to try and get in a 500 hands tonight when I get home from work. Really going to focus on position and bet sizes.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  34. #34
    OMFG...Wow talk about running like shit. Here I did a lot of reading today at work cuz well work sucked. I really thought I was in the right mind to play some good pokar but guess I was wrong! I had planned on playing 500 really smart hands tonight and really make the most of it. Before leaving the office I started feeling a headache coming on and by the time I got home it was pounding but I had to follow through with my plan......DUMB always have a backup plan!
    Well I did stick with one of my plans and that would be my "Stop loss" plan. I told my self the other day I would no longer sit infront of this damn laptop and continue to spew my money away in hopes of recovering from a bad session. So I set my stop loss at 3bi's. Well I knew I was close and when I checked I was actually down 3.5 so I pulled the plug after only 221 hands.
    I can't begin to tell you want went wrong but everything is the best description. A few bad beats and suck outs but I really think I just spewed like a tard. I'll post a few of the hands as I review the session. Feel free to let me have it as I deserve an ass kickin'!
    Really no commentary is need for any of these...

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    7 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Ryukyu ($4.79)
    UTG+1 alacranco ($5.42)
    MP Boca abaixo ($3.26)
    CO jazz1685 ($2.32)
    BTN vbcn_ ($4.70)
    SB Hero ($2.00)
    BB Sluis19 ($2.69)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 7 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, Boca abaixo calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Boca abaixo calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.26, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Boca abaixo bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.42, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Boca abaixo bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    River: ($0.58, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, Boca abaixo raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.28

    Final Pot: $3.58
    Boca abaixo shows:
    Hero shows:

    Boca abaixo wins $3.43 ( won +$1.65 )
    Hero lost -$1.78


    Atleast on this one I pulled my head out of my ass before I spewed off another stack!
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG clilovv ($2.10)
    UTG+1 teh770 ($4.37)
    CO pieyes65 ($6.94)
    BTN Ryukyu ($4.85)
    SB Hero ($2.73)
    BB PEELII ($5.00)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is SB
    1 fold, teh770 calls $0.02, pieyes65 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.01, PEELII checks

    Flop: ($0.08, 4 players)
    Hero checks, PEELII bets $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.24, 2 players)
    Hero checks, PEELII bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

    River: ($0.60, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, PEELII raises to $3.52, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $1

    PEELII wins $4.27 ( won +$0.47 )
    teh770 lost -$0.02
    pieyes65 lost -$0.02
    Hero lost -$0.48


    Another spewing from the spewmonkey...


    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG jazz1685 ($2.38)
    UTG+1 Mike Yin Ho ($2.04)
    MP1 vbcn_ ($4.73)
    MP2 Hero ($2.94)
    MP3 Sluis19 ($2.62)
    CO Ryukyu ($4.87)
    BTN le pistash ($1.14)
    SB alacranco ($5.47)
    BB Boca abaixo ($3.30)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is MP2
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, le pistash goes all-in $1.14, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

    Flop: ($2.31, 2 players)

    Turn: ($2.31, 2 players)

    River: ($2.31, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $2.31
    le pistash shows:
    Hero shows:

    le pistash wins $2.21 ( won +$1.07 )
    Hero lost -$1.14


    Again atleast it wasn't for a stack

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Copp6 ($2.27)
    UTG+1 martin12389 ($1.76)
    MP1 Scrappy1028 ($1.19)
    MP2 bruce327 ($4.24)
    MP3 76169 ($2.55)
    CO aldena ($2.14)
    BTN Hero ($2.20)
    SB HeroToSky ($4.79)
    BB SendMePackin ($0.74)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is BTN
    4 folds, 76169 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, 76169 calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.39, 2 players)
    76169 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.39, 2 players)
    76169 bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

    River: ($0.71, 2 players)
    76169 bets $0.58, Hero calls $0.58

    Final Pot: $1.87
    76169 shows:
    Hero shows:

    76169 wins $1.82 ( won +$0.90 )
    Hero lost -$0.92


    Fuck I could go on and on unfortionately. Well I am going to do some studying since I told myself I was going to play pokar but right now studying pokarz alot cheaper than playing.
    Damn I hope I am able to pull out of this soon!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13
    OMFG...Wow talk about running like shit. Here I did a lot of reading today at work cuz well work sucked. I really thought I was in the right mind to play some good pokar but guess I was wrong! I had planned on playing 500 really smart hands tonight and really make the most of it. Before leaving the office I started feeling a headache coming on and by the time I got home it was pounding but I had to follow through with my plan......DUMB always have a backup plan!
    Well I did stick with one of my plans and that would be my "Stop loss" plan. I told my self the other day I would no longer sit infront of this damn laptop and continue to spew my money away in hopes of recovering from a bad session. So I set my stop loss at 3bi's. Well I knew I was close and when I checked I was actually down 3.5 so I pulled the plug after only 221 hands.
    I can't begin to tell you want went wrong but everything is the best description. A few bad beats and suck outs but I really think I just spewed like a tard. I'll post a few of the hands as I review the session. Feel free to let me have it as I deserve an ass kickin'!
    Really no commentary is need for any of these...

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    7 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Ryukyu ($4.79)
    UTG+1 alacranco ($5.42)
    MP Boca abaixo ($3.26)
    CO jazz1685 ($2.32)
    BTN vbcn_ ($4.70)
    SB Hero ($2.00)
    BB Sluis19 ($2.69)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 7 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, Boca abaixo calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Boca abaixo calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.26, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Boca abaixo bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.42, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Boca abaixo bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    River: ($0.58, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, Boca abaixo raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.28

    Final Pot: $3.58
    Boca abaixo shows:
    Hero shows:

    Boca abaixo wins $3.43 ( won +$1.65 )
    Hero lost -$1.78


    Atleast on this one I pulled my head out of my ass before I spewed off another stack!
    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG clilovv ($2.10)
    UTG+1 teh770 ($4.37)
    CO pieyes65 ($6.94)
    BTN Ryukyu ($4.85)
    SB Hero ($2.73)
    BB PEELII ($5.00)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is SB
    1 fold, teh770 calls $0.02, pieyes65 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.01, PEELII checks

    Flop: ($0.08, 4 players)
    Hero checks, PEELII bets $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.24, 2 players)
    Hero checks, PEELII bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

    River: ($0.60, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, PEELII raises to $3.52, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $1

    PEELII wins $4.27 ( won +$0.47 )
    teh770 lost -$0.02
    pieyes65 lost -$0.02
    Hero lost -$0.48


    Another spewing from the spewmonkey...


    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG jazz1685 ($2.38)
    UTG+1 Mike Yin Ho ($2.04)
    MP1 vbcn_ ($4.73)
    MP2 Hero ($2.94)
    MP3 Sluis19 ($2.62)
    CO Ryukyu ($4.87)
    BTN le pistash ($1.14)
    SB alacranco ($5.47)
    BB Boca abaixo ($3.30)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is MP2
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, le pistash goes all-in $1.14, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

    Flop: ($2.31, 2 players)

    Turn: ($2.31, 2 players)

    River: ($2.31, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $2.31
    le pistash shows:
    Hero shows:

    le pistash wins $2.21 ( won +$1.07 )
    Hero lost -$1.14


    Again atleast it wasn't for a stack

    $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Copp6 ($2.27)
    UTG+1 martin12389 ($1.76)
    MP1 Scrappy1028 ($1.19)
    MP2 bruce327 ($4.24)
    MP3 76169 ($2.55)
    CO aldena ($2.14)
    BTN Hero ($2.20)
    SB HeroToSky ($4.79)
    BB SendMePackin ($0.74)

    Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is BTN
    4 folds, 76169 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, 76169 calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.39, 2 players)
    76169 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.39, 2 players)
    76169 bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

    River: ($0.71, 2 players)
    76169 bets $0.58, Hero calls $0.58

    Final Pot: $1.87
    76169 shows:
    Hero shows:

    76169 wins $1.82 ( won +$0.90 )
    Hero lost -$0.92


    Fuck I could go on and on unfortionately. Well I am going to do some studying since I told myself I was going to play pokar but right now studying pokarz alot cheaper than playing.
    Damn I hope I am able to pull out of this soon!
    Well after doing some more reading I decided to just relax and play a $3+.4 SNG where I could just be a nit. Well I recouped my looses for the day so I feel much better!

    PokerStars Tournament #137136448, No Limit Hold'emBuy-In: $3.00/$0.409 playersTotal Prize Pool: $27.00 Tournament started 2009/01/28 22:57:17 PT [2009/01/29 1:57:17 ET]
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    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  36. #36
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    Wow dude... You played those hands horribly.. You need to stop thinking everyone is always bluffing, and you need to stop bluffing as often. I'm really not sure what is up with your c/c, c/c, weak lead lines.. But it's bad.

    Hand 1 - I likely either cbet/fold, and if called check/fold turn and river unimproved, or check/fold the flop depending on villain. If he folds often to cbets then I take the cbet line, if not then just check/fold.. Yes, even to this small of a bet. You are likely going to face bets on the turn and river also and you can't aren't going to be good often enough. Sure seems like this was some sort of a tilt play because you can't possibly bet/call that river thinking you are good.

    Hand 2 - Just fold JTo there preflop, especially if you are going to play the hand like this postflop when you flop middle pair. As played preflop, I'm a little uncertain on flop between either c/calling or c/fing.. I tend to c/f because I don't like taking a passive line this early in the hand on a drawy board, because his draws have good equity, we can't pot control OOP, etc.

    Hand 3 - Why are you opening to 7x?? Tilt?? And when villain shoves for another $1 you have to call $1 to win a pot of what will be $2.31. Therefore you need 1/2.31 or 43% equity. Against any competent villain this is an easy fold.

    Hand 4 - For starters don't 3bet JJ here. Against most villains you aren't going to be able to 3bet for value at FR.. The flop is good/standard. Fold the turn. And most definately fold the river.


    Me thinks either your headache was much worse than you thought and possibly cut off your ability to think , or you have some tilt isssues that definitely need to be addressed.
  37. #37
    OK well things have been going ok although I do still have some nasty leaks. Only one loosing session out of the last 8 or 9.
    I'm doing a lot of reading and studying and making progress. My winrate is reasonable and I think I have a plan.
    What I am thinking is if I can get another 10-12 bi's added to the BR then I am going to move up to 5nl. I hope to accomplish this by the end of Feb. At that point I will set my stoploss at 5bi's and will move back to 2nl if I need to. I will start with 2 tables until I add 5bi's to my BR. After that I will not play more than 4 tables until I have added an additional 10bi's at 4 tables. At this point I will have 40bi's for 5nl. Continue to grind until I am ready for the next move to 10nl. Hope to be at 10nl by June if all goes well.
    Any thoughts on this plan? Is there anything I missing? I will post some screenshots off of HEM possibly tonight.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  38. #38
    Just stopping in to say good luck on continuing your op!
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    The solution to getting 1 outered is a simple one. We just need to find the site that is the least rigged.
  39. #39
    Yesterday was an amazing day for me as far as poker goes. First I had a short session in the morning and was up over a bi. Worked all day and the wife had plans so my plan was go home and grind my ass off as long as I damn well please with no bitching! So I get home open up four tables and start grinding. I had several things on my mind and was in the zone pretty good for me. I made some correct moves, big laydowns which I was sure were correct, got it all in with the nuts etc.
    In less than an hour I was up 2.5 bi's and on my way to a great session. As is usual I had IRC open although I wasn't involved in conversation but keeping my eye on the chat. There was a great conversation going on between two regs who I really respect and I was really just listening in. Then a question came to mind that I had been wanting to ask so I asked. Of course recieved great feedback from them both and then one of them asked me if I wanted to review some hands.
    I was like a gitty kid. I immediately asked them to hold on a minute and I instantly closed down all 4 table. Now I was on one hell of a heater and my winrate for the session was through the rooof, but I knew I was going to profit much more from the pending conversation.
    We proceeded to go through these hands which were really great because they really highlighted what I would say were some of my major leaks, ie bet sizing, position, ranges etc. The insight shared by these guys was amazing. Questions were answered that had been in my head for so long even though several ppl had told me "Don't do that! That is so bad!" etc. Nobody had been able to break it down so I could understand it at my level. I only regret I didn't cut and paste the entire conversation and into a word doc so I could have reviewed it over and over.
    I really can't say enough about this conversation. It is just another great example of what is available to us here at FTR. I am really excited about using this new found knowledge I just can't wait for my next session. The timing is great because I think if I can plug these leaks over the next few sessoins it will make my whole plan work so much smoother.

    HEY GUYS THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!

    I didn't use there names because although I know they would help anybody who needs it and would use it I don't want them to get bombarded with noobies taking there time. I guess it's like when Bruce Lee was training he would often hang out in front of the Dojo and tell the other students that practice had been cancelled so he would have the instructors undivided attention! Ok now I feel bad so go ahead and when you see DonkeyHumper and FishFukerask them all the questions you have!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  40. #40
    Well just call me a yo-yo. I have been swinging like a raped ape lately. I had several really good days then bam 3 loosers in a row. So funny how a good day is finishing up oh 3 bi's or so. But a loosing day for me is Oh 7 bi's.
    Then to top it all off the wife is getting pissy with me so I cut a deal with her. I am going to cut way back on my poker in the evenings and instead get up and play in the mornings. I typically do much better with my morning sessions anyhow. Not sure why it is but if I hit the tables at like 7am pacific time it's an entirely different crowd. I played this morning and did manage to finish up 1.5 bi's. Now when I get home from work I'll spend a little time reading and studying PNL then make like a good hubby!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  41. #41
    edit
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  42. #42
    edit
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  43. #43
    I'm really hoping I can get some feedback on my month to date stats. I need to do more reading on HEM and figure out exactly how to interpet the stats better. What leaks can you spot here? Let me know what you see please. The following are pulled from HEM under reports.

    Plugging Leaks 01 - Overall


    Plugging leaks 2 - Basics


    Plugging Leaks 03 - Flop Hand Strength


    Position


    Winnings graph


    Some of the obvious things I noted are:

    1&2) both jump out and tell me I need to stay away from 6max until I develope more skills.

    3) Stay the hell away from TP shitty kickers. Hell if I would have just folded those I'd be much farther ahead.

    4) Now at first thought well this is easy I'll just fold every BB & SB and I'll be ahead. Then I did some math and realized actually even though it looks really bad if I am thinking correctly I actually mitigated some of my losses. I figured I put in $49.94 between the small blind and the big blind. So if I am correct I actually recovered $20.66. I am not totally sure though if HEM considers the blinds lost or not but I think so. What do you think about this blinds???
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  44. #44
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    You play more hands from the SB than from the button...
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  45. #45
    Well haven't written for awhile so I thought I'd update real quick. been bouncing around trying to decide if I want to take a full shot at 5nl right now or not. I think this is probably a leak as I need to either commit to it or not.
    I played the other day at 5nl and although I was playing my game it sure felt different for the first hour or so. then I kinda got settled in and felt ok. I wasn't able to win back everything but finished the first day at 5nl down just under 1 bi. Next day I played 5nl again and felt comfortable pretty quickly and played for a few hours. Ended that session down another bi but didn't panick actually felt pretty good about the session. I didn't want to focus to much on the results more on how I played. After taking a hour long break I decided I was going to grind out some winnings at 2nl so I opened up 10 tables and after 1K+/- hands I was up 4.5bi's. Now I did this just to take a break but for some reason it really kinda messed with me. I hesitate to say it's a confidence thing but then maybe it is.
    Part of me just wants to go for it and make the move and go to work. I can efford to loose this BR 50 times over and it wouldn't effect my life but maybe it would my poker life? my winrate is very good at 2nl and I really have no reason to believe this wouldn't carry over to 5nl after a short acclimation period. Hell I don't know I need a poker shrink....LOL
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  46. #46
    Rofl Harley, your poker shrink has arrived!

    It's a natural reaction to feel out of place when you move up in stakes. (I only just recently got used to the pot sizes and blinds at 5nl) After grinding 2nl for so long it was kind of scary for me to risk 2.5 BI's at 2nl on one table.

    So I did a lil experiment where I bought in for only 50bb's for around ~400 hands. This allowed me to risk an amount I was used to, and allowed me to get used to the blinds. It seemed to work out fine, as I am now buying in for a full 100bb and do not feel nervous/scared (usually ).

    I know you play FR usually and I'm a 6-max guy myself, but I think the differences won't be too astronomical for me to say this. It's virtually the same game as 2nl, just more money on the table. People tend to be a little more aggressive and try to pull off amazingly stupid bluffs in piss poor spots, but other then that it's the same old fish doing the same old stuff.

    Hopefully this helps you out a little bit!

    Good luck Harley.
  47. #47
    Well I haven't been very good about keeping up with my op and I am going to change that. I decided today was the day and I have offically moved up to 5nl. I wasn't exactly rolled for it when I made the decision but I am just tired of waiting. I am also tired of being a pussy and putting my toe in the water only to move back down at the first glimpse of a downswing. I played my first session this evening after getting home from work, yea I have to work Sundays . I started with $79 bucks and by the end of a short 200 hand session I am now at $106.85. I will stay at 5nl until I reach $300 and then move upto 10nl. I have set my stop loss at $40 and will move back down if I have to.
    I feel like I am playing pretty good poker and I am confident this will work.

    Nice pot I picked up in tonights session:
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ruready72 ($8.08)
    UTG+1 elasador ($8.00)
    MP1 ejace1 ($2.03)
    MP2 AstapBender ($9.86)
    MP3 Fyrensmoke ($19.51)
    CO Mike11487 ($10.43)
    BTN men_teende ($8.25)
    SB Hero ($7.49)
    BB ArtemisCFrog ($20.68)

    Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, ejace1 raises to $0.10, 3 folds, men_teende calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.35, 3 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, ejace1 calls $0.20, men_teende calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.95, 3 players)
    Hero bets $0.65, ejace1 calls $0.65, men_teende raises to $1.85, Hero goes all-in $7.19, ejace1 goes all-in $1.08, men_teende calls $5.34

    River: ($17.06, 3 players)

    Final Pot: $17.06
    ejace1 shows:
    men_teende shows:
    Hero shows:

    Hero wins $16.21 ( won +$8.72 )
    ejace1 lost -$2.03
    men_teende lost -$7.49

    Wish me luck!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  48. #48
    So I signed up for a Mirco Stake subscription to Grinderschool today. I really want to make the best of the move up and I don't want the next move to take as long as this one has taken. They said it may take upto 24 hours before my access to the videos will work so now I wait patiently. I will try to post about my experience at GS for those of you who may be considering it.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  49. #49
    Good Job on the move up Harley! I hope you can keep it up.

    Nice hand though, people who slowplay AA at the micros upset me and deserve to get them cracked imo.

    I'd be interested in hearing about your experience at GS.
    (Josh)
  50. #50
    Hey dude, good playing with you today, woulda been fun to get in a hand with ya . Just a lil side note, maybe you were running kinda hot on the table we were playing, but you seemed to be running kinda loose for FR, imo. According to my stats you were running something like 17/17 over 80-90 hands. Not sure if those are you regular stats or not, just something to think about. Later man!
  51. #51
    Hey dranger it was good to sit with ya on the felt. I was on kinda a heater that day but I don't think I was actually doing all that well at that particular table. The stats you mention I'm sure are correct though. Wouldn't say typical for me usually a little lower. I think when things run hot on the majority of tables I tend to loosen up over all and that was the case this particular day. This could actually be a leak I need to look at. Just because things are going well at say 4 out of 6 tables doesn't mean I should let that effect my play at the other two really. After all what good does it do to say take 100bb stack on one table and give up two 50bb stacks on others!

    So the move has been good so far. Not up drastically but moving along. I am absolutely thrilled with my decision to try out GS. I watched two vids by Jyms and they totally paid for the subscription. I'm really looking forward to getting through more of the vids and doing some serious studying. Bigspenda has several on GS and I am going to watch them all.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  52. #52
    Good to hear you like the subscription. I know I did . Anyways yea, I sat down with you again yesterday and you were running quite a bit tighter, I just wanted to make sure u didn't ALWAYS run like that at FR lol. Keep up the grindage dude, and we'll be pwning the 10nls soon!
  53. #53
    Dranger is was nice to sit with ya on the felt. I was on a pretty good heater although I don't think I was doing very well at that particular table. The stats you mention sound about right. I tend to play a little looser when things are going good at the majority of the tables I am playing. I think this may be a leak which needs addressing.
    Wow am I ever pleased with the purchase at GS. I watched the two lecture videos Jyms did and I shit you not they paid for my subscription easily!
    So I didn't get to play at all last night which was unfortionate. Instead wife got pissy so we did that retarded thing of both pouting and not talking. Pretty fucking mature for two ppl who have been married for 25 years!
    Go up bright and early and got a short session of 321 hands. I shit you not some of the best poker I can remember and the cards were really coming my way. KK dealt to me a couple times right off the get go and I really like the way I managed the pot, utilizing the information I gleaned from Jyms video. This combined with what appeared to be a whole school of fishes swimming through my hole just made for a great 50 minutes. I finished up $22.06 or almost 5.5bi's which is equals $26.88 per hour and I think that's pretty damn good considering it only 5nl!
    Two goals tonight: First make up with the wife and secondly study poker. Hope to get atleast one video in from GS. Probably won't play much but maybe a little.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  54. #54
    edit
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  55. #55
    Well this week has been an interesting week as far as poker goes. Over all it has been a winning week with some ups and downs. I've spent some time on GS watching videos and again I am very pleased I went forward with the GS subscription. I hope to spend more time this coming week on GS than I did this last week.
    Today was interesting to say the least. I got up early this morning in order to get a decent session in prior to going to work. So I got up around 6:30am and started my session things went ok for awhile then I started down the slippery slop. Overall the morning session I ended up loosing 2.6bi's. I was happy with my reaction to this session as I didn't freak out and go on tilt at all. I tried to concentrate better and get it together. I found myself playing a few hands that I really didn't care for and realized it just wasn't going to be a good session so I shut'em down. I'll post a couple of the big loosers for your enjoyment:

    1.) This hand is freaking text book for why we don't slow play and get sneaky/stupid! Had I bet this correctly I would have ended taken 100bbs from Sweepy888 but instead I ended up donating to the cause!
    The winning villian was playing 41/0/0.4 handn't really seen him do much and wasn't really worried about him. Other villian was a total donk playing 63/29/2.

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Evergates ($6.73)
    UTG+1 sarahaiaini ($1.85)
    MP1 slumei ($3.47)
    MP2 tillekills ($10.00)
    MP3 Hero ($5.00)
    CO dmlbabyboy ($4.25)
    BTN LurkingFrog ($2.57)
    SB Sweeep888 ($5.89)
    BB zocker 132 ($9.95)

    Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is MP3
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, dmlbabyboy calls $0.15, 1 fold, Sweeep888 calls $0.13, zocker 132 calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.60, 4 players)
    Sweeep888 checks, zocker 132 checks, Hero bets $0.10, dmlbabyboy calls $0.10, Sweeep888 calls $0.10, zocker 132 folds

    Turn: ($0.90, 3 players)
    Sweeep888 checks, Hero bets $0.40, dmlbabyboy raises to $0.80, Sweeep888 calls $0.80, Hero goes all-in $4.75, dmlbabyboy goes all-in $3.20, Sweeep888 calls $3.95

    River: ($14.40, 3 players)

    Final Pot: $14.40
    Hero shows:
    dmlbabyboy shows:
    Sweeep888 shows:

    Hero wins $1.40 ( lost -$3.60 )
    dmlbabyboy wins $12.30 ( won +$8.05 )
    Sweeep888 lost -$5
    zocker 132 lost -$0.15

    2.) Don't know what the hell I was even thinking here. I don't totally hate this shove but I do think if I would have thought it through I wouldn't have done it. The villian was 15/11/3.8 over 132 hands.
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    8 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($5.07)
    UTG+1 babek333 ($15.12)
    MP1 taskesi ($4.68)
    MP2 Wizzzard123 ($9.22)
    CO ziofel ($3.22)
    BTN Taxus83 ($6.01)
    SB Dani Viola ($4.91)
    BB djjeffypoo ($9.68)

    Pre-flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Wizzzard123 calls $0.15, 1 fold, Taxus83 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero goes all-in $5.07, Wizzzard123 folds, Taxus83 calls $4.22

    Flop: ($10.36, 2 players)

    Turn: ($10.36, 2 players)

    River: ($10.36, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $10.36
    Hero shows:
    Taxus83 shows:

    Taxus83 wins $9.86 ( won +$4.79 )
    Hero lost -$5.07
    Wizzzard123 lost -$0.15

    Well fortionatly I came home after work and had a great session which more than made up for the morning session. Here's my big winner for the evening. I would post the bad ones but really I didn't have any big loosers in this session.

    1.) This hand turned out ok although I would say it was far from being a perfect play by me. Villian one yusuktoo was playing 9/7/2.5 over 99 hands and shafter12 is just an idiot at 42/3/1.6 This shove was really meant as a bluff although I new I may just get lucky and hit the nuts. Just glad I got lucky!

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    7 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($6.44)
    UTG+1 drapes14 ($12.44)
    MP pens2520 ($5.78)
    CO PokerMama812 ($9.94)
    BTN grumpymonkie ($7.75)
    SB yusuktoo ($9.58)
    BB SHAFTER12 ($6.00)

    Pre-flop: ($0.07, 7 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $0.20, 4 folds, yusuktoo raises to $0.35, SHAFTER12 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.15

    Flop: ($1.05, 3 players)
    yusuktoo bets $1, SHAFTER12 calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50, yusuktoo calls $2.50, SHAFTER12 calls $2.50

    Turn: ($11.55, 3 players)
    yusuktoo checks, SHAFTER12 checks, Hero goes all-in $2.59, yusuktoo calls $2.59, SHAFTER12 goes all-in $2.15

    River: ($18.88, 3 players)

    Final Pot: $18.88
    yusuktoo shows:
    SHAFTER12 shows:
    Hero shows:

    Hero wins $17.98 ( won +$11.54 )
    yusuktoo lost -$6.44
    SHAFTER12 lost -$6

    Well here is a snap shot of the weeks stats:
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  56. #56
    I am experiencing the worse varience yet in that it has gone on for several sessions now. I am really trying not to get to discouraged by it all and keep telling myself it was bound to happen. Now I'm not saying I haven't had some bad sessions but overall the last week is actually a looser by about 4.5 bi's. I am at work right now so I don't have access to the exact numbers.
    I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what is going on and I have not been able to indentify any one thing. When I look at my HH's I have to say it looks about like it typically does. I am making some mistakes obviously and will continue to try and figure them out. I know I really need to work on my odds/outs etc. I had a really interesting hand the other day in which I lost a 150ish bb stack and felt as if I had made the right move and and forced villian to make a mistake and he just got unlucky. I posted the hand and talked it over with spoon in irc only to find out I really was wrong. We talked it over for quite awhile and spoon helped show me how if I had gotten it in a street sooner then it would have been +EV. So I went on to grind some more and later that after noon I found myself in what I thought was a very similar situation. Although this time I got it in sooner, he got lucky and I was feeling ok about it. I thought hey I should follow up with spoon and let him know that I really did learn something from all the time he had spent with me soon so I posted it up on weaktight and had him take a look. Well fuck turns out I was wrong again. Very similar but TOTALLY different!
    I have to say I get so much out of the conversations with the guys on IRC and I so appreciate their patients with my questions. It has to be frustrating as hell.
    Well like I said I'm at work otherwise I'd post the HH's I've been talking about. If I have a chance I'll thow them up tonight if I have time.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  57. #57
    Didn't play any last night. I was just beat when I got home and I figured I'd be better off just hittin' the sack.
    Got up early this morning and got a short session in before work. Played about 500 hands and ended up 1bi. Little to early to say the loosing streek is over but I'm hoping so.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it

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